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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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Wouldn't a custom icebox style intercooler work good for a interstage intercooler? Would be hard to get air flow over a regular intercooler.
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 08:00 PM
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Water between stages.

BD used to run an intercooler between stages on one of their race trucks, and it worked ok, but it wasn't worth the hassle so they pulled it.

S510 Imho is a better fit then the S595. As far as bracing I would do it F1 style with the brace coming from the head, with a couple of small hiems in order to give it some movement without reducing the load carrying capacity.

A remote mount oil filter would be a huge asset in order to get the turbo's to sit in there nicely.
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 09:55 PM
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im trying to find a decent price on a remote kit,, amsoil must be made of gold,, big bucks

I like that idea of building a brace off of the engine.. that should work good I would think
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 09:57 PM
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Explain to me how you would intercool between stages,, maybe its cause I am tired, but I just am having troubles picturing it
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 10:08 PM
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easy Kev, just use a 10in by 12in liquid to air intercooler. Its 3 1/2 into and out. You use an electric pump with a tube filled with ice/water. Pump the cool water into IC. The air coming out of the primary depending on boost pressure will become heated. The higher the boost you run the higher the air temps. As a point air doesn't want to compress that well and starts to become inefficent. At 100 psi, you could have 500-600 deg's F of heat. Although its only 10 secs run, so it will take awhile to peel off the paint. You lose CFM basically. You have denser air at 70 deg's F, than at 600 deg's. You could run a smaller turbo just cause your taking heat out of the air. You also don't need to run as much boost to get the cfm out of the air.

I can't believe that BD truck couldn't make it to work. IMO, either it was incorrectly set-up or they aren't running big boost. I'm going to put one on my truck, but I'm only going to 60-70psi of boost.
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 10:18 PM
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It worked, just not as well as water injection. As well it was a lot more complex.

For a Drag truck my opinion on the way to go is water between stages, and nitrous in the intake will bring that charge well below ambient. If a person wants to stay away from the spray, then water injection between stages, and an air / water intercooler after the stages, packed with ice water.
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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What I am worried about with water is the cylnder pressure,especially when you spray
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 10:40 PM
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Kevin you are probably right, I don't recall seeing a water setup on the Dr. P race trucks, and cylinder pressure is probably why trucks like the Dr.P race truck look to just run spray. Those trucks don't run an intercooler either, nitrous is handling the cooling aspect as well.
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 10:43 PM
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Thats my thought too,, that is why I have a solenoid at the inlet side of the IC
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 10:57 PM
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im trying to find a decent price on a remote kit,, amsoil must be made of gold,, big bucks
Not sure if this helps and not sure how much the amsoil ones are but Peak has one for $220 - I think it should work on a CR:

http://www.peakdieselperformance.com...31/5140017.htm
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 11:00 PM
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It would be very interesting to data log air temps at the intake manifold on a truck like yours, with and with out that big intercooler, running nitrous.

I wonder if the race teams that are running without an intercooler are doing it because the air temps are very close with and with out, when running nitrous. Or if the weight savings is worth it, or if it is just a packaging thing??? hmmm...
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 11:08 PM
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I think Mike has some data logging equipment
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 11:09 PM
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Here is another one, a little more pricey, but a whole replacement plate not just a short adapter. http://destroked.com/parts/remoteOil.html
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 11:10 PM
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I think Mike has some data logging equipment
Yes he does, I am going to start on an exhaust manifold for him as soon as the flanges arrive, so we can do some testing.
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 08:20 AM
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The Dr performance truck used windshield fluid or something that looked bluish like windshield fluid. They only used small amount they used it with a mix NOS. If your thinking about that route, I would use a fogger nozzle, so you can use the NOS to improve the spray/atomization of the water.

You could spray some water between stages, but I would use very small amounts. Water is pretty dense fluid. Testing is the only way to determine what to use. The ice bath small sized interstage intercooler would work. I have data loggers available, but the instruments are gonna be the secert and where to put them so you can get good data off them.

If you're gonna spray NOS before the IC, you could go smaller on the IC.
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