So why not just get a blender's license ? One person could get a license and blend for others . He could simply charge a fee for blending the oil , not sell the oil to them . Let the Revenue office figure out how to deal with that .

 

Time to take off the badges and put on a 1500 Hemi badge.

 

in texas now.its 1,000 for every gallon your tank holds

 

They have off road gas dyed also so they could check that if they wanted. Years ago I work for Union oil it was Standard Oil then building Geo Thermal plants and infrastructure and we had all the free diesel and gas we wanted but it was dyed. You could also get it for your farms ranches if you had a 550 gallon minimum tank for bulk. Same fines for running AV gas also as the higher octanes are dyed different.

 

One way to fool em is to have the tank filler tube blanked off about a foot and half down and keep it full of road legal tax paid diesel. Then have a filler under the truck where your blend can be installed. Tell them you have an obstruction down the filler to prevent siphoning.
Time someone came out with an injection system to do this on the fly.

 

God, you guys have it rough.
In Europe the price of diesel has made running farm fuel/blended fuel call it what you want fuel, but, dam cheaper fuel, a common pratice.
There they not only dip you tank but can put a probe in your tail pipe too.
The most sucessful way to keep the dipping of the tank safe is feed the fuel to you injector from your inbed tank and keep the stock tank clear.

I have heard of second tanks in spare wheel wells, sleeper units, split tanks, all kinds of way to beat the system.

 

Why in the H E double hockey stick do you think anyone here gives a rat's behind about Europe??? Or is that the SanFrancisco coming out of you?

 

From Ireland orignally bro.

 

That seems like the way to go. When I buy another diesel I am going to look into that.

 

whats it take to get a blenders license? and where to get it?

 

great links!! thanks

 

Your states revenue office or website can get you info on a blenders license. Also you may have to be bonded.

 

New here and was just picking over some old threads when I saw this.
What a crock!
I guess that's why I chose to be a real cop and not a revenue *****.

A couple of things I noted:

This is/was excellent advise. In most if not all states, criminal, civil and administrative matters all have time lines. Miss one (on either side) and the face of things change rapidly in some cases.
Do your due diligence and find out what applies.
It's very possible that you're due process has been violated.
If that's the case, and the state has not responded properly, DEMAND JUSTICE!
Don't accept the states arrogance and ineptitude as the status quo!
Hold these idiots accountable for thier actions or inactions!

This is absolutely correct!
If "we the people" don't take a stand against abuse by the government, then we have no right to complain in the future.

The attitude described above, is the same attitude many insurance companies and government agencies espouse, when dealing with potential or actual lawsuits.

The "it's cheaper to make it go away" mantra is heard regularly among these groups.
By the time you pay legal fees and such, not to include the cost in time spent to attend hearings, write and mail certified letters, etc., you could have saved money by paying the fine.
Unfortunatly, doing this does NOTHING to amend the problem and reign in our government.
A precedent must be set.

You might be surprised how many people may get behind you, financially and with in kind donations of support (lawyers, paralegals, process servers and investigators) when they realize the benefit to themselves as well.
The environmentalist groups for example, may have a keen interest in the outcome. Kind of odd, holding hands with Greenpeace, but hey, if it get's the job done, so be it!
By setting precedent, you change the future and stop this sort of abuse!

That sounds like another matter that needs to be address.
While I realize that driving is a privilege, and public roads need to be maintained, I would think that "requiring" me to registering my vehicle with DMV would not necessarily require me to give up my rights against unreasonable search and seizure as provided by the United States Constitution.

As we allow more and more government agencies to "require" surrender of our constitutional rights as a means to comply with local law, we move closer and closer to losing them in general.

DMV requires registration. So be it.
They require insurance. So be it.
If you want to intrude into my space, gather your probable cause and get a f**king warrant! (*or ask permission. I might just say yes*)
And if you're required to allow inspection, then make it a DMV officer that has to pull the inspection, not a revenue *****.

I never thought I'd say this, but I sort of hope you're right.

Well, if they can find a way to track it, yes. Any way the local, county, state, or federal government can find to make a buck off of the taxpayer, they're going to do it. Guaranteed!

Now, the electric car, in theory, is being "fueled" by electricity. To do that, you have to plug it in. By doing so, you either increase your electricity usage, or pay for it at a public outlet.

Somewhere along the line, there are taxed involved.
But I see your point.


You're right.
But the real problem is the fact that governments of all flavors, state, local and federal, REFUSE to live within a budget
They p!$$ and moan about "we don't have the money for this" and "we need to lay off this many people"...boo feckin' hoo!

Here's an idea.
Learn how to manage you money!

I had to, you have to, and everyone on this forum has to. Yet the government ****** who suck off the teet of the taxpayer, don't!
In theory they do, but in practice.....

Our Sheriff, my former boss, constantly complains about the budget. Our clerk of court, the same thing.
Yet we're still buying new cars every year, and the most expensive toys on the planet.
There's so much waste in government it makes me sick.
I've seen it with my own eyes!
We'd blow up the remaining ammo at the end of the fiscal year, in order to get our "allotment" the coming year.
BTDT ...burned the T-shirt.

Oh, and they've done the same thing here with parking meeters.
I questioned a meter maid dude about it one day. His response was:
"each individual" must pay for the space. It's not the space you're renting, but the time you use it.
If you abandon it, the next user is required by city ordinance, to pay the rental fee.
So see, there's another ordinance that needs to be addressed and changed!

I like that!

What are you waiting for?
It's painfully obvious that they were not willing to wait for the appeals or contention process to run it's course before demanding their money and cashing your check!
Why should you wait for them?
Check your administrative guidelines as previously mentioned, and see where you stand?

If the poster was correct, and I'll bet he was, sue their a$$e$ into next year!
prove to them that arrogance and ineptitude can be expensive!

If you win, you might even be able to get your cost back (cost of fighting the initial charge+legal cost if any), and possibly interest.

Now this is when I really wish I had a diesel and some mix.
I could see a trip to NC on my agenda

See, I'm from Flori-Duh, and you're state law regarding this topic, unless comparable to ours, does not apply

Just like lift laws and other MVR requirements.
Kalifoinia is a perfect example.
They have emissions laws that require certain equipment and do not allow other devices.

Since I'm from another state, they can not require me to comply with those laws.

Now, if they're enforcing federal law, then they'd better have federal agents doing this or carry federal cross certifications!
Even then, I think the publicity brought down on them would be enough to curtail this for a while.

As a side note to show the effectivness of publicity campaigns and lawsuits.
The Florida Hardroad Patrol (aka: FHP) recently got nailed for writing tickets to motorist flashing their lights at oncoming traffic to warn them of a potential speed enforcement zone.
This was a pissy move on the part of some ****** off troopers. The statute was misapplied and misinterpreted, in an obviously intentional attempt to "make a point."

That little tantrum bit them in the ****!

They cited the wrong hardhead, who decided to stand up to them.
He filed a lawsuit, it hit the press, and made national headlines in the stupidest cop trick category.

As a result, they can no longer issue that citation by FHP mandate. At least until the court case clears

Some times, you have to make a stand.
Before you go spending another dime on permits or fines, take a few minutes to review your statutes. Make some phone calls, and maybe spend a few hundred dollars on an attorney consult with one that specializes in administrative law.
It may be $$$$ well spent

OD

 

Ever tried using a locking fuel cap? If they mess with that bring 'em up on charges of BREAKING AND ENTERING.

 

Apparently these boneheads have given themselves permission to violate your constitutional rights, by tacking it onto a privilege.

Now, it's been mentioned here several times, that they have the "right" granted unto themselves, to "stick" or examine your fuel at any time and at any place.
It was also mentioned here, that they apparently do this at various public events while the owners are not around?

The first problem I see is the damage they must have done while trying to examine your fuel
damaged cap, contaminants in the fuel? I mean hey????

I'm sure there is probably something that they damaged when they tampered with your vehicle while you were gone.

The other is, how do we know for sure, that it was YOUR fuel, if you were not present to watch the test?
After all, the state and federal government are the ones with the most to gain from this little adventure, right?
It's in their best interest to make sure that your fuel tests negatively (positively for them), right?

So who is to say that they didn't mix up the fuel samples?
Where is there chain of evidence and does it begin with the owner/violator?
Who is to say that the test was conducted properly. After all, there are no other witnesses, correct?

And whose to say that they didn't contaminate it themselves? After all, the state is in need of your $$$, and it's incumbent upon them to help provide that revenue in order to keep their jobs.

Then, there's the refusal aspect.
You weren't provided an opportunity to refuse, lawfully or otherwise, when checking the vehicle while you're not present.

Ensure your options and inconvenience them a bit at the same time.

Use a locking cap, secure any filters or other methods they may use to gather test samples, and if your pipes are accessible, use a locking cover.
This similar to a trumpets cap. Make it securable so it can't be removed without your key or other device that you have on you.

Now, you're not "denying" them the ability to conduct their search. They'll just ahve to wait until you return to the truck to do it
You're not going to gain any special favor with them by taking these measures, but it doesn't sound like they cut much slack anyway, so who cares?

If they call you out of the event, don't go!
You've paid to attend an event, and unless they wish to reimburse you, they can wait by the truck until you return.
Write me for that "refusal" and we'll T-it up in court and in the press!

There's a line between "refusal" and "inability."

And it's also been mentioned in this thread, that your refusal to grant permission, will net you the $1000.00 fine regardless.

I see this as sort of the same tactic used with DUI enforcement.
If you refuse the roadside or BAC test, you'll lose your license for a year.
If you fail the BAC, you'll lose your license for a year.
The difference it, you'll deny the "state" additional evidence with which to prosecute you on the DUI

In this case, if I read this correctly, should your fuel test positively, thyey can then test any diesel registered to you, correct?
But, without the test results, all they have is a refusal violation.

Whats the worse that can happen then?
Terminating your voyage?
Ok, I'll call a wrecker or tow vehicle, but as I'm reading it, they don't have the probable cause necessary to come testing your other vehicles.

This isn't legal advise, just some techical suggestions as I see it from an outsiders perspective.