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Old Jan 8, 2003 | 11:04 AM
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Losing Power then Stalled

96 Dodge Diesel, 176000 miles, Just got the truck, no <br>idea of the maintenance history. On the way to work <br>this morning it started losing power at 65 mph. At the <br>entrance to the plant it stalled, I got it started after <br>three tries. Drove to the parking lot and it died. After <br>3 hrs I went out and it started on the 4th or 5th try. <br>Smoke poured out when it started, then it cleared up. <br><br>Any ideas? I've been reading some of the posts. <br>I guess I'll install a new fuel filter first and put <br>some injector cleaner in. Then what is the deal <br>on the lift pump, is that the same as a fuel pump?<br>Where is the lift pump located on a 96. <br><br>Thanks for any help, I'm just learning bout diesels. <br><br>Bo
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Old Jan 8, 2003 | 01:44 PM
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The lift pump on your 96 is a mechanical pump, not electrical. It's down on the drivers side of the engine just above the starter if I remember right. Just follow the fuel line from the back side of the fuel filter back to the lift pump.
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 06:52 AM
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Thanks for the replies. I changed the fuel filter, cracked <br>the bleed screw, pumped the air out of the line. Engine <br>started and ran perfect for about 2 minutes. Vented and<br>pumped it again, it ran about 5 miles down the road and <br>died. Bled it again, went another 5 miles, ect, ect, <br>finally got it to the ranch. Guess I'll use Shire's <br>troubleshooting post and keep digging. <br>Anybody else got any additional ideas. <br><br>Bo
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 04:41 PM
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The lift pumps on the '94-'98.5 twelve valve engines aren't prone to failures. The ones on the 24 valve are a problem though. Sounds to me like there is an air leak in the fuel system somewhere. I would begin by replacing the rubber fuel lines since yours is about the right &quot;age&quot; for them to be a problem. If that doesn't take care of it then start checking the rest of the fuel system. Look for loose or leaky fittings and things like that. Mine had the banjo bolt on top of the filter come loose. It didn't quit, but it was kind of hard to start. Check the simple things first.<br>Keep us informed,<br>Tom
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 07:34 PM
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on the bottom of the mechanical pump is a bowl with a screen it may be clogged. Their also is a screen on the bottom of the pick up in the tank it may be clogged. It sounds like their is a clogg in one of the screens and it drops off when it is not running and then it gets sucked up when the motor runs.
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Old Jan 9, 2003 | 09:49 PM
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Thanks for all the feedback, didn't get a chance to <br>troubleshoot it today but you guys have given me <br>a lot of things to check for. I'll let you know what <br>I find. <br><br>Bo
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 06:01 PM
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IMHO, if bleeding it helps for a while, you probably have an air leak on the suction side. Check the rubber lines over the starter for any slight amount of fuel. A small leak of fuel is a big leak of air on the inlet side.
Also, you might try pressurizing the system with a 12v pump on the fuel filler...block it with rags, and get someone to listen for air leaks.
good luck.
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Old Jan 10, 2003 | 07:47 PM
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Shire<br>This is the first time that I have heard of a lift pump failure on a 12 valve. I looked at a lot of bbs about these trucks and I don't recall (good memory just short) a problem with the pumps. I'm not trying to say that you are alone with this problem, it's just that I can't recall any discussion aboyut 12 valve lift pumps. I do know that if it is &quot;man made&quot; it WILL break and/or wear out. I am glad that you posted the pressures so that I can check mine. I have 150k miles on now and to my knowledge the pump is original.<br>Tom
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 11:14 AM
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Wow, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, I still haven't had time <br>to work on the truck but when I do I will be well prep'd.<br>I'll just print this thread and troubleshoot away. <br>Too many irons in the fire today, building a Top Gas <br>Harley, but I will be back on the truck in a day or so.<br>I'll update on what I find. Again, thanks for all the help.<br><br>Bo
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 05:17 PM
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One more option, friend of mine had this problem, it wound up being a section of rubber fuel line was being sucked shut and starving the engine of fuel.
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