Ok everyone I think Edison figured it out. Just like I said in my last post. Use 10ft of #4 or #6 bare copper wire and aproximately 20% gains in fuel mileage. I've got several people doing it all ready. Use the stainless plates for your positive and make a U shape of the copper wire on the sides and bottom. Look at my gallery pictures. You don't want any modifications to your timeing to make this work though. With my edge on it doesn't show the 20% gain in fuel mileage. On this tank of fuel I've pulled a trailer 5000k 280mi and still have a 1/4 tank with 560mi. on it. Use the copper for the negative the stainless for the possitive.

 

Tree Dr thanks for the tip on using copper for the negative. I will try that and see how it works but I guess I will have to use a smarty setting that does not increase timing.

 

XMR
You can try it both ways and see if it makes a difference on your truck.
I fueled up today 689.6mi and 35.9gal = 19.2mpg. That's pulling a 5k trailer 300 of those 689.6 miles.

 

Is anyone using this in there 3rd gen. Trucks
http://www.enginerunup.com/index.php

 

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[QUOTE=mcohen] I've gained 9 mpg. I'm getting an extra 270 +/- miles on a tank of gas.

mcohen
Lets see some before and after numbers on the mpg. If you gained 9mpg you should at least be in the mid 20's on your mpg. Are these highway or town figures. Your wifes Nissan Quest what year is it and what kind of driveing is she doing? What about your trucks performance, is it different after you used the additive? What about your wife's van? I guess you have to continue useing the additive to see the good mileage right.
The nice thing about what I've built is I don't have to keep buying anything only check on my unit as I check my oil. All seven of the vehicles I've installed Hydrogen units on are see in the 20% area of improvements. From my truck and the mileage on it since I got my unit working right 2000mi and 1/2 inch of water aprox. has been used. I shouldn't have to add water except at oil changes. Waters still cheep, if you don't buy the bottled stuff.

 

Tree Doc -

I am getting ready to build THIS unit. I have seen your pic and I can't seem to make heads or tails of it. Can you tell me how you would use the copper in this setup? Maybe I can try and find copper allthread?

 

Disclaimer: I haven't read this whole thread.

That said, I do know that energy can't come from nowhere. Any energy gained by burning a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen that originated from water, is WAY MORE than taken back by your alternator to split the water molecules in the first place.

If this did truely provide free energy, then you could make an engine that ran off of hydrogen and oxygen, have that spin an alternator that powers the hydrogen/oxygen generator, and have free energy forever.

This idea is in violation of the the second law of thermodynamics. I'd be willing to bet everything I have that NO ONE will see ANY REAL increase in mileage from this idea.

But, despite the obvious proof of this, many people will still say that it increases their mileage. Everything that has ever been made that says it increases mileage has some people convinced that it does. Those worthless things that go in your intake are still being sold at autozone for $70 and people buy them. Those magnets that go on your fuel line are still being sold. People buy both of those products every day and swear they save tons of money.

 

Oh NO!!!
Not another it can't be done. Have you tried it or is it they said and you thought. I'm not even selling anything. Just giving away information.
Ouchman
My pictures are of exactly what you want to build and yes it is a terrible picture. Stainless plates stacked +-, I couldn't see any difference in my mpg with that setup. Leave the stainless plates in the middle (+) but stand them on end in the middle of the container and bend some copper in a U shape (-), set it in the bottom of the container so its on the sides and bottom of the stainless plates. The copper and stainless don't have to be real close together either. In the container pictured in my gallery it might have 1/2inch seperation. I'll try to get some better pictures taken and posted.
Just got off the phone with one of my unit experimenters T1000 Toyota He's not giving it back.

 

Has anyone gone though the information on this site?
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oB5mRLw...VV0Zgec/D9.pdf
A lot of good stuff. I have starting building a Boyce styled unit... I bought a sheet of SS and have the plex box built... I just need to get the motivation back to start on it again.
Oilguy

 

Go fuel up and realize if your getting 20% better fuel mileage. Take 20% off the fuel price 2.799 thats .5598cents a gallon your saveing or only paying 2.2392cents a gallon. Makes me feel better. Also makes me think others would be interested.

 

Tree Doc - I have a friend who still says my Frantz filter shouldn't work even though he's SEEN IT WORK ON MY TRUCK.

Since I already bought the water filter housing I am goint to build their model - mostly just for fun. Maybe I can do the (-) side in copper wire. Do you run yours at 12v? I have heard that 2v is optimum (not sure if I heard it from you). Also, they use a pulse generator on theirs.

Oilguy - that link didn't work for me... I'm interested...

 

Ouchman, I'm useing the 12v DC to keep it simple. I want to keep it as symple as possible to see the results. I've read about the 2v to 7v range being good with a pulse but I have no proof that it would be better. If you use AC you have to slow down the pulse or it doesn't work.
There are lots of things that work that are hard to understand why they work. Why complicate something if you don't need. No pulse generator no voltage regulator, just 12v DC that's on eveyones vehicle. Most H generators that I've read about claim around 20% so if thats what I'm seeing why complicate it.
Oilguy- I couldn't get the link to work either. What happened to the other info you had?