Water is a natural byproduct of combustion... that is why there is a weephole in the muffler and why you sometimes see water dripping from the tailpipe.
OG

 

Rust won't be any more of a problem with or without. Anytime you burn a hydrocarbon fuel you get water vapor in the exhaust. The extra from the hydrogen will not add much water vapor at all.

Edwin

 

saw this guy on the news, what do you guys think? looks interesting, I'm at work right now so I can't really spend much time on the website, I'll look at it later.

http://hytechapps.com/aquygen

 

After doing quite a bit of research, I have just bought a complete high volume system. My truck is 2006 Cummins and I plan to inject prior to turbo in intake tube since system requires vacuum to work. Have you encountered any problems due to heat of turbo?

 

Your intake turbo should never get hot enough, if it did you have nothing to worry about since you don't have enough hydrogen to air ratio to explode anyway.
What system did you buy? Let us know how it works. About the vacume? When you break down water the hydrogen and oxygen is going to flow out of the container because of expansion. By vacuming it I suppose there is a air intake on the container also. Another point is that there is a vacum before the air filter.
Tree Dr

 

What keeps the water/soda from getting sucked into the intake? And if you keep the unit further away from the intake would'nt that condensation be sucked in as well. And last but not least the anti freeze, eats up the engine which I'm sure you know. I guess if it is a small amount though it would'nt eat up the rings. I'm very impressed with the whole outfit, if it was equipped with a shut off float I think it would be bomb proof. Might have to order one!

 

Yes you will have some water vapor going into the motor. On my units I never had a intake to it just a tube out to the motor. Hard to suck something out of a sealed container. The hydrogen and Oxygen expand and push themselves out.
Antifreeze is not needed. I found out last winter that water with bakeing soda will not freeze solid. Some ice crystals will form but it never got beyond a slush. The heat of the motor and the current going through it will melt it and it didn't seem to affect the hydrogen output.
As far as being bomb proof. Hydrogen isn't going to explode without a spark and it would have to be right at the end of the tube going to the air intake or inside the container to have enough concentration of hydrogen to explode. The nice thing about the containers I'm useing is if it did explode in the container it would only blow the lid of. Not going to damage anything or start a fire. To each his own.
Tree Dr

 

I've been kicking around ideas on this, and thought I'd toss one out there. On the subject of injecting the H2 into the intake horn.

So far in everything I've read on the subject everyone agrees that it would be better to inject the H2 into the intake horn, but can't because the electrolysis is happening at ambient pressure, and the pressure in the intake horn is somewhere between ambient and 40 psi unless you're a serious bomber and have a boost fooler, bigger turbo, etc. I haven't heard of anyone that is boosting over 100 psi though.

There's a lot of guys out there that are running exhaust brakes, and from what I've seen those are pneumatic, pressurized by a 12v air compressor. What would happen if you pressurized the "box" where the electrolysis is happening? My theory is that it wouldn't effect electrolysis at all, but voila! you have 120psi hydrogen on tap, ready for injection into the horn.

If you separate the production in two so you have H2 coming off one line and O2 of another instead of a "brown gas" system, the O2 could be piped in pre-turbo, (which would in itself improve fuel burn) and the H2 injected as needed, an/or the amount of injection fine tuned. The producer could then be cycled on/off with a pressure switch, and designed for the most efficient production.

A few things for consideration off the top of my head;

1. Need some kind of check valve / float valve in the system to keep it from injecting water when you aern't producing H2.

2. Store the pressurized H2 after shut down, or bleed it off? (I lean toward storing it, but wonder about the safety, H usually "pops" rather than burning I my experience, but it should be considered)

3. How do you bleed off the H2 after you shut down?
A. Shut off the producer and burn it out?
B. Release it into the atmosphere? (probably not real safe... Marlboro man walks past, and singes off all his hair)
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2003 3500, CTD, NV5600, 4x4, Quad Cab, SLT, Long Bed
1976 F600 Dump truck. When the Dodge falls apart that's where the Cummins and NV 5600 are going!

 

If you're gonna inject oxygen preturbo, might as well inject hydrazine into the intake manifold - be sure to get it on video!

 

I've been waiting. What did you find out? I haven't done any modifications to my setup. Still seeing 1-3mpg gains in MPG.
Tree DR

 

Been running mine for a couple of months. Appx 2mpg gain. Latest update from Manufacturer is recommendation to inject post turbo via parallel lines in Y configuration creating a venturi effect to overcome pressure. Would like to do it but would need to plumb into intercooler output tube & intake horn. I am stock in that area so I am open to ideas. Also current & voltage requirements have been greatly reduced by using Pulse width modulation box on newest model.

 

Chaeck this site out too
http://www.eagle-research.com/index.html
This system comes precharged with lye and you only have to add distilled water. In freezing temps it doesn't matter because the heat generated by the electrodes defrosts the solution and the solution already has a lower freezing point.

This system (kit) is referred to as the ER HyZor on the website.
Read his philosophy on patents as well

 

Try turning off the super chip and see what happens.

 

Thought you guys might like this thread the best info is on the last half of #2 and all of #3

http://www.biodieselnow.com/forums/1...howThread.aspx

 

good read for a Sunday morning with coffee.
thanks, very informational.