ya, i want to eventuly set mine on a dyno once i figer out how to get the amps to very according to load and/or rpm. i think the gains could be really good if it can work like the throtle

 

Very speculative here, but reading some from guys that were using the duramax and efi live to adjust the pilot injection, there were thoughts that somewhere around 2300 RPM the pilot injection is significantly reduced or stops due to not having enough time in the cycle to do the two injections. Could it be that as we raise the engine RPM the hydrogen could be more effective with the compressed or reduced pilot injection to main injection time assuming enough LPM of HHO is being generated for higher RPM. Don't know if this would apply to the cummins. Also wouldn't explain your in town vs highway gain. I just about have my first 6 series cell done to try but too cold to be crawling under the truck yet.

TreeDR - Have you every done a LPM calculation with your setup on max? Thanks for your info. Looking forward to trying this soon.

 

OK,

I promised an update and here it is:

I called tech support at SAVEFUEL.CA and they told me to give the Hydrogen Generator at least 30 days and 5 tank fulls of gas.

I did, it still doesn't work, less gas mileage.

Totall RIP OFF SCAM FAKE...OK I had a weak moment and got cheated.

It looked legit. But it's not trust me.

Also the unit is a joke, PVC plastic 4" with 2 end caps and 2 electrodes inside, cost to manufacture scam unit, I'd say maybe 20 dollars.

http://www.savefuel.ca/hydrogen/smal...id=carproducts

Many people have been ripped off by this guy up in Canada. DO NOT PURCHASE or you will lose your money.

I am currently working with my credit card company to get a full refund, it's under dispute now.

When I called this #1 866 765 6564, you get the same dude either it be sales or tech support, I'd say a one man operation.

So the guy on the other end can't find my order#, can't find my order, yet he was paid by my credit card. He's says he never gets an email from me but I put a trace (return reciept) on the email and he's getting them.

I'm in the process of filing a complaint with the Attorney General in Ontario Canada.

Oh by the way this is the person that the site is registered to.
Status: EXIST
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Subdomain: savefuel.ca
Renewal-Date: 2008/07/13
Date-Approved: 2004/07/13
Date-Modified: 2008/01/23
Organization: Viscon Canada
Description:
Admin-Name: Rob Hall
Admin-Title: Chief Privacy Officer
Admin-Postal: Privacy.ca
43 Auriga Drive
Suite 491609
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Admin-Phone: (613) 221-1215 ext. 491609
Admin-Fax:
Admin-Mailbox: pmb491609@privacy.ca
Tech-Name: Rob Hall
Tech-Title: Chief Privacy Officer
Tech-Postal: Privacy.ca
43 Auriga Drive
Suite 491609
Ottawa ON K2E 7Y8 Canada
Tech-Phone: (613) 221-1215 ext. 491609
Tech-Fax:
Tech-Mailbox: pmb491609@privacy.ca

This guy just ripped of the wrong person, I am going to make it my priority to shine the light on him until I get a refund.



Thanks,

john

 

John you might actually be getting to much hydrogen and it takes up so much space in the intake your not getting enough Oxygen. Is there anyway you can reduce the output?
That's why I build my own cells. I've got about 30-40$ in mine and it's so much simpler and easier to use than that one. I did try that design but it's such a pain to do any midification to it. I did use the screw in end caps though.
As far as volume goes I haven't measured the output yet. There are so many variable it's hard to be positive it's actually doing anything.
About the intown MPG vs hwy MPG with the way these motors are set up the timeing changing and the injection durations and such there's no telling what the differences from idle to 2000rpms. Maybe that's why it gets good MPG in town?

 

I have formally filed a complaint with the Ministry of Government and Consumer Services in Canada.


This company SAVEFUEL.CA is a complete SCAM.

I have also filed a complaint with my credit card company and am disputing the charge on my credit card.

I have been trying to get a refund for over a month now and everytime I call there is another excuse to why I am not getting a refund from SAVEFUEL.CA.

The guy is like " I can't find your order" or "your not in the system" or "I have over 200 emails to answer".

He'll be getting contacted now by the credit card company and the Ministry of Government and Consumer Services in Canada.

I'll get my money back!

 

Hello,

Sorry for your problems. You are right it is a scam. In the 50's scammers were pushing the same junk science. This is old news that is coming around on the wheel of life again. Sometimes we want to believe so bad.

Tree Dr, You need to move on IMHO. check out hydrogen peroxide if you really want to jazz it up.

Damon

 

ok got somemore info that will exlain alot including what ur calling a scam. it works but to much can be worse then none. hydrogen conbusts alot faster then gas or diesel. so in a car that runs on hydrogen alone the ignition point is top dead center. so if you ad to much hydrogn in then it will make the fuel in your cylender burn to fast. see in diesels and gas motors the fuel will ignite before TDC. so a little bit of hydrogen will make the fuel burn more compleat and improve your efficency but to much will hurt ur efficency. so to have a really efficent system you have to do like i said and have a variable amps according to throttal position. its a fuel you can just add a set amount. anyone that sells a system thats not variable can be tuned to get you better milage at a set throtal position but cant do an over all improvment hence not worth your money unless you do a ton of freeway driving like simi trucks. its going to take me a little while but ill get back to you what i have a prototype to test, im in the dezine stage right now working with some other engineers and chem teaches

 

I think you'r on to something there bullboy. Keep us informed of what you find out.

 

Hello,

Hydrogen being a gas will burn faster than diesel being a liquid. Your diesel Autoignition temp is 600°F. Hydrogen Autoignition temp is 932°F. So diesel will start the ignition process and then instantly ignite the hydrogen. A faster burn rate occurs. This is a big problem and altering the rate of hydrogen introduction will do absolutely nothing because it's already burning. You are trying to control the burn rate in the cylinder by changing the volume of gas and you cannot. You are creating 2 flame fronts in your combustion chamber. A slower one, the #2 fuel oil and a faster one the gas. You are messing up the design of the combustion process. Hydrogen has a Explosive range of 4% to 75%. Diesel has an Explosive range of 1% to 6%. So as soon as the diesel ignites the hydrogen the hydrogen goes by by(combusts) nearly all at once. The intake and exhaust valves are closed and you cannot add more hydrogen. Hydrogen has about 2 times the energy per pound as diesel. That's by pound not by volume. This is another problem you guys cannot overcome. You cannot generate enough hydrogen from your devices to compete with the amount by weight of the diesel going into the engine. Unless you guys are rocket scientist, control engineers and have millions of bucks to design a new engine for the application it is not possible no matter how much you want to believe. I know you do not want to hear this and I am not saying this to give you a hard time. I am saying this because your obstacles are enormous and your resources are not adequate for the challenge. Please look up the technical facts of the material you are dealing with and apply science and engineering to them first relative to your expected outcome.

Here is a helpful link. http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/pdfs/fueltable.pdf
Damon

 

im talking about useing hydrogen kind of like propain is used, and ur wrong about resorses in my case. it wont take that much money and im working with professors that know what there talking about. now the amont of hydrogen introdused into the chamber will directly effect the energy produced by the hydrogen. to much hydrogen will cause the combustion to happen to fast and yes these systems can produce enoff hydrogen to put to much into the system. now i know what your thought proses is, yes the optumum time to introduce hydrogen would be at or just before TDC. that would be if you were useing is as a fuel, i dont want to use it as a fuel, i want to use it more as a catalyst. iv been going over information from a compony that makes a system thats not variable. runing a dmax on a dyno with a particulet reader hooked to it they were able to ruduce the particulet matter in the exost to zero. translation all the fuel was combusted in the cylender, now at the veary edge where you see the particulet matter go to zero is where you want it. thats the point that all the fuel is being burned in the cylender at the right time. it doesnt take a whole lot of hydrogen to do that. you are telling me it doesnt work at all, theres already proof that it works no one has spent time to perfect it is the problem.

 

Thank you!!!! bullboy
Another thing I've been wondering, is the first injection event useing all the hydrogen or is it just the timeing of the first injection that's most improtant?

 

SAVEFUEL.CA is a SCAM, PLAIN and SIMPlE.

How do I know, John Bolle scammed me out of $286.50.

I am fighting to get my money back.

Call the office 905 228 3184.

He sounds like he's been drinking all night..lol

I can't believe I feel for it but I did, my gas costs have been over 600 a month, I just wanted to cut them down.

And I got ripped.

Hey TREE_DR sure your not working with SAVEFUEL.CA since you spend a ton of time posting??

This is how these scammers work, they stake out websites like this to fool people.

DON"T LOSE YOUR MONEY LIKE I DID!

SAVEFUEL=SCAM

 

Well, I don't know if you guys seen these kits, I have not been following this post. But here is a kit I found

http://www.xtremetnt.net/

http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/

 

Just wondering if on the dmax that was being used if you have the ability to adjust the timing for the pilot injection. I had read on another thread that people were experimenting with delaying or stopping the pilot injection with the EFI live system for the duramax. It seems that it would be beneficial to delay the ignition of the hydrogen to as close to TDC as you mention. I would think that hydrogen could help make up for the missing pilot injection by speeding the ignition of the main injection cycle. I have seen some similar reports detailing the emissions reduction through the use of hydrogen. Would be nice if this could be just a plug and play system.....

 

no this truck didnt have that, but i have heard and looked into it but figered id save that for later just getting started with this so i dont want to get in over my head. john im not trying to say you didnt get scamed, it is really easy to scam people with a system like this, these arent a system u can just buy and install and have it get u great milage, its to complicated if the site says other wise then its most likely a scam. i havnet seen a system yet that will very the gas produced acording to throttle position, i havent even found any research on it, that tells me no one has really took a whole hearted attemp at doing this. its gona be i little bit before i have a good working prototype, i have to buy the truck im going to be testing it on still. a few dezin challenges to get over first. any ideas or imputs would be great, anything someone did that worked better anything like that would be nice,