It is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hydroxy/... you have to join there yahoo group to get the files... It is in the files section under D9.pdf
They have multiple different styles shown from single cell to very elaborate.

I have heard people over the years say that it is impossible to run a car off of a "On-Demand H2 System" but with the technology that is available and as many people thinking out of the box... it should be possible...

I love to hear people say that something is impossible! That is my queue to tell them to get out of the way and watch me. Most people say something is impossible because they don't have the ambition to try.

Oilguy

 

I like doing things MY way. Especially when someone says "don't" or "you can't". Or maybe I'm just bad at following directions...

 

Most people live in a box. To get out of the box would require effort and change. Because they're in a box it's not fair for anyone else to get out of one either.
Because I thought some people on this web site seemed to think outside the box is why I started this thread on here.
Oilguy I'm with you on the technology to break water down on demand to run a engine. Here's one of my ideas. Inject water, to atomize/turn it into a mist, just before the intake valve opens, through two very fine screens one positive and the other negative to break down the water so the gas enters the cylinder as it is produced. I've wondered about having electrodes in the cylinders but to withstand the heat might be a problem. Or have the block be the negative and the piston the positive so the water breaks down as the stroke occures. Or negative block and postive head. If you could break the water appart in the cylinder before cumbustion it would be no different than running on Gas or Diesel. Put water in the tank pressurize the water and inject it in the cylinder break the water into H2/O and burn it. Sounds far out doesn't it. I left the box a long timeago.

 

I'll say!
I bet you can't do it! lol
I am leaning toward a couple of different setups... Bob Boyce electrolizer or the s1r9a9m9 setup... Do a search on those and see what you think... I really like the s1r9a9m9... he has a yahoo group that I have been following.
He says he has 30k miles on water! I don't know if it is true but he seems to be backing it up. He hooked up a power inverter through the ignition system so that the distributor firing a spark jumps the gap on the sparkplug and the inverter higher amperage piggybacks throgh and sustains the spark and making it powerful enough to explode water under compression... He doesn't even break the water into H2 & O... He just runs water through the carburator and retards the timing to after tdc because the firing is instant...That is it in a nutshell... I have seen one other design like this but I think it was based off of the same design.
You just though you had a crazy desegn! LOL

Oilguy

 

Everything has a flash point. Just has to be hot enough or compressed enough. I'd read about something like that just not in the detail you described.
I'd agree on the fireing being instant. I'll see if I can locate your info. source.
Thanks Oilguy
I'm still going to continue what I'm doing since it's so simple and I'm seeing savings at the pump. I guess I'll have to get a gas rig to try the spark thing on. My dad still has his 72 GMC that should work.
Tree DR

 

Stanley Meyer was working on this before he died. He had something he called a water splitter. There are some people who are trying to continue his work. They have a website here. http://www.waterfuelcell.org/

 

Great info. Oilguy. My dad may lose the truck till Fathers Day and then He can have it back running on water. Think he will mind?

 

I have a Ministock race car and my track is closed this year so it is sitting just killing grass. I am building up a new motor for it... Maybe i can experiment with it while it is on the stand. $0 invested in it so far and I have all the materials that is shown in the plans except for a high amperage diode to keep feedback from killing the inverter.
I would like to have someone who knows more about electronics get involved.. I don't like High voltage with high amperage... AND FUEL.
I have the Boyce design started but I just need to finish it. I found the schematics to convert the inverter to a multi wave form generator but again.. electronics thing... Maybe i just need to educate myself. or get an EE degree.
Oilguy

 

Oilguy
I agree with you on the electronics and such. I'll have to get a uncle who worked on Airplane electronics involved with me on this project. Keep us informed.
Tree DR

 

I haven't had a chance to work on the water only. All my neighbors and relatives are hounding me to get a H unit. So far all the gas powered vehicles are seeing 1-3mpg improvements. I'm working on a semi with a 600hp cummins. Hope it works on the big trucks.
Oilguy, I'm really looking at retarding the timing so I can use more H. If running straight water you have to fire at or after TDC why not with more H? Have you got any idea if that would help? What about you others that were building units?

 

A video you guys might find interesting. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...entor+murdered

 

I'm supprized. No one is building or useing this information to improve their mileage. All the vehicles I've delt with are seeing 1-3mpg improvements.
Of course the threat of getting killed might keep some quiet.

 

Finally was able to verify some numbers on a semi, N14 600hp car hauler. 5mpg is normal with the hydrogen 5.2 to 5.6mpg

 

Glad to hear this thread is not dead. I've been poking around the various links and sites offerd by this site and yahoo groups (hydrogen) so I've been learning a great deal. I'm not as experienced as you guys because I'm just beginning.

However, I do have some electronic experience. Others may be better but I can examine a few circuits or suggest a few circuits.

One downfall of running on hydrogen is the rust inside the engine and exhaust. Has anyone given any thought to the small electronic box offered by Toyota? A friend here in Hawaii had one on his new Toyota 5 years ago and it never developed any rust. When a chip of paint would get knocked off, the exposed body metal would stay shiny with no other protection - just the box.

 

Thanks Dean
I'm not sure rust is or will be a problem but there's nothing like prevention.