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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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Another Smarty Question.... its been asked over and over!

I just want to make sure I fully understand this. Is this right?

Torque Management
# 0 - Default - this is just like the normal settings on the SW#'s???
# 1 - Stock - this is the truck in stock mode, no program???
# 2 - Mild - off the line response???
# 3 - Moderate - a little more off the line response???
# 4 - Wild ( aftermarket clutch / AT Transmission recommended )


Injection Timing

# 0 - Default - what the normal would be with a SW#'s right???
# 1 - Stock - this is the truck in stock mode, no program???
# 2 - for stock injectors - no clue?? Just a little more timing than default or what???
# 3 - for aftermarket Injectors ( less advanced than # 2 )
# 4 - for fuel economy ( more timing advance than level # 2 )

Please go into detail (guys who know) on the injection timing. What is too much for my sig.? What benefits there are.. etc..

Rail pressure

# 0 - Default - is this what is normally loaded with a SW#???
# 1 - Stock - what a stock truck timing is????
# 2 - Mild - don’t know. Why and what benefits
# 3 - Moderate - don’t know. Why and what benefits?
# 4 - Wild (aftermarket injectors recommended)

Every setting that is stock is just how the truck would be stock of course, right? With no difference except the added HP of the SW#

And the defaults are what are normally loaded in the SW#s right?

So with a basically stock truck, read my sig, and mostly highway driving and never go over SW# 5, minor towing here and there, once a year, what setting should I run the truck on? I want longevity. I don't want the timing rattle either. So, please help me out here. Thanks guys, and sorry for the repeat in this question.

Jason
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 04:03 PM
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Come on guys. I know you know. Dont keep it a secret from me. I'm scared to mess with it without knowing.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 04:40 PM
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I run mine which is also pretty much stock on sw 7 with the POD on 85. I run the timing on 2,RP stock, and torque management on mild. Seems to get decent mileage,(17-18) and runs really good. No injector rattle, but my stock clutch is gone though
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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It is confusing. I have the same question for the REVO SO6
Torque management: is default more or less than mild??? I am assuming default is more than stock.

Timing: is default more or less than 2??? If it is less than 2 then is default more or less than 3???

Rail pressure:Is default more or less than mild??? Is default more than stock???
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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Default settings in the REVO software are #2 for everything except timing. I can't remember off hand what the default timing setting is. It's all on the MADS website. You may have to do a little digging, but it's there.
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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This is straight out of the RevoSW_Instructions.pdf document off of the MADS site. Click on Downloads at the top of the page, then click on S-06. You will then see a list of downloads including the RevoSW_instructions.pdf.

With the Revo you can choose ANY timing you want, no matter if the Catcher you'll
download is odd or even! You CAN, add timing to the software's that have none, or use the stock timing in the odd # ones. Your
pleasure.... By definition for all adjustable options the default is # 2. EXCEPT for the timing. The timing has two defaults. # 1 for the
even numbered SW's ( stock timing ) # 2 for the odd numbered SW ( advanced timing ). To avoid confusion and to help the customer
in returning all levels to default ( if need be ), key # 0 is used to return Smarty back to the default levels. This is most important for
the timing. When Smarty is set back to default with key # 0, the even numbered software's will use the stock timing and the odd
numbered ones the advanced timing.
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 12:27 PM
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"Thanks" Randall
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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I just want to make sure I fully understand this. Is this right?

Torque Management(TM)
# 0 - Default - this is just like the normal settings on the SW#'s???
This is #2

# 1 - Stock - this is the truck in stock mode, no program???
Correct

# 2 - Mild - off the line response???
The same as "default" - more response than stock

# 3 - Moderate - a little more off the line response???
More touchey throttle,what I like for the 'Street'-more than mild

# 4 - Wild ( aftermarket clutch / AT Transmission recommended )
Torque Management is basically how much the computer limits the trucks fueling per Boost pressure, the higher the numbers(TM) the more(harder) the truck will fuel off the line, also putting more stress on drivetrain parts. Example: Stock - holding the brakes(brakestand) and putting the throttle to the floor will probably limit you to 10lbs of boost without wheel spin but if your tires spin the computer will sense the tires spinning and give the engine more fuel. But If you got it on #4TM and floor it with the brake the truck will fuel(boost) until you break something not limiting boost pressure.


Injection Timing(IT)

# 0 - Default - what the normal would be with a SW#'s right???
Same as #2

# 1 - Stock - this is the truck in stock mode, no program???
Correct

# 2 - for stock injectors - no clue?? Just a little more timing than default or what???
from what I know this is just more timing than stock =more HP and cooler running truck

# 3 - for aftermarket Injectors ( less advanced than # 2 )
less timing than #2 because Aftermarket(bigger) injectors require less timing so they dont "rattle"
# 4 - for fuel economy ( more timing advance than level # 2 )
The most timing of all setting because more timing is supposed to to equal more fuel economy but more rattle also.

Please go into detail (guys who know) on the injection timing. What is too much for my sig.? What benefits there are.. etc..
I dont know much more about the timing than whats up there but lots of other people do


Rail pressure(RP)

# 0 - Default - is this what is normally loaded with a SW#???
Same as #2
# 1 - Stock - what a stock truck timing is????
Correct
# 2 - Mild - don’t know. Why and what benefits
Increases injector pressure more rapidly equaling more response
# 3 - Moderate - don’t know. Why and what benefits?
Increases the pressure more rapidly the #2 = more response,more power
# 4 - Wild (aftermarket injectors recommended)
Increases the pressure more rapidly again

Simple terms: The Higher the Rail Pressure Ramp up the more response/power the truck will have but the more pressure you run the shorter you injector life span will be. It will also cause a clearer burn

Every setting that is stock is just how the truck would be stock of course, right? With no difference except the added HP of the SW#

And the defaults are what are normally loaded in the SW#s right?

So with a basically stock truck, read my sig, and mostly highway driving and never go over SW# 5, minor towing here and there, once a year, what setting should I run the truck on? I want longevity. I don't want the timing rattle either. So, please help me out here. Thanks guys, and sorry for the repeat in this question.

I would run #5 or 7 daily with everything else default. I run #9 all summer and control the power with my foot. I like timing #3 even though I dont have aftermarket injectors because my truck does not rattle. All SW's are default until you change them, default is not stock it is the general smarty programming.
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 03:11 PM
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Everything on default, SW5, and TM is the only one changed to 4. I get no injector rattle, and am about to go fill my truck up in 15 minutes so I'll report back with mileage gains on this tank. So far it seems as though the miles on the tank compared to needle position is a bit better.

Shawn
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 03:22 PM
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My understanding is that the higher TM will KILL the stock auto trans, IF you use it.
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by moorepower
My understanding is that the higher TM will KILL the stock auto trans, IF you use it.
Yep, you're definitly shortening your stock tranny life any higher #2TM, but my stocker lasted #3TM for 1 year before I decided to do it right and some 20runs down the strip.
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by moorepower
My understanding is that the higher TM will KILL the stock auto trans, IF you use it.
Originally Posted by Cummins610
Yep, you're definitly shortening your stock tranny life any higher #2TM, but my stocker lasted #3TM for 1 year before I decided to do it right and some 20runs down the strip.

I would think it would be from higher TQ settings and not from increased TM.
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Old Apr 1, 2009 | 01:51 AM
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[QUOTE=dslpwr81;2428968]I just want to make sure I fully understand this. Is this right?

Torque Management
Stick to #2 for stock trans, #3 for daily driving with built trans and #4 if its not raining, built trans and you like agro


Injection Timing

#2 is the normal one to run, # 3 for aftermarket injectors, or if you want more agro boost ramp / throttle response and can give up a touch of overall power / top end

Rail pressure

Number 3 for daily driving with good boost / drivability....#4 is hard on injectors / fuel system for daily driving, but good for the track / racing


With your mods id say 1. Get a build trans...until then.....

If your conservative: Level 3 (level 5 if your not)....Tq Mgmt 2, Timing 2 or 3, Rp 2 or 3 ...
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