ANY programmer or downloader will change what the tranny sees.How much pedal movement to get the same 200hp stock vs. modified?

Bob

 

i'm suing my dealer right now because they voided my warrant because i had only the outlook monitor on the truck. But i also have had a ton of other problems with it. like a new g56 tranny clutch and flywheel plus other minor problems. their is an act called the mangum moss act that states that a warranty cannot be voided due to aftermarket add ons unless said add ons caused the problem with the warranted item.

 

Just got done driving mine with the DRB. Governor pressure and shift points are same with APPS voltages the same. Quad box on mine, maybe a downloader would be different. So I would have to disagree with your statement. I know what your getting at though. For th OP's problem, however, the flash might help. Only one way to know for sure.

 

I know your situation sounds similar. Your dealer needs to be able to prove that there was a downloader. Problem, is.....with the original poster (OP) there was a downloader involved. They just didn't take the time to research it more and explain fully to him. They saw the outlook and "assumed" there was a downloader involved. Had they taken the time, they could have showed him how they knew , instead of just blaming his "gagit on the windshield" ( his quote). He has yet to admit there is/was a downloader on the truck, but his other posts say otherwise. He has taken responsibility though, and I think he's headed in the right direction. Good luck charger.

 

Found this out there... So my question would be... Could the Downloader cause this??? If so, it's on you... If not it should be a warranty fix...

 

That too is one of the reasons I LOVE my Banks Power System... NOTHING DOWNLOADED!!! No flashes... not one single (copywrited mind you) piece of Dodge software has been changed... That too is one of the reasons Banks voices they do not void any warranties... They do not write over any copywrited dodge software... Their entire system is an inline decoder... It plugs inline and receives the input from the dodge computer, changes it and sends the info on... As far as the truck is concerned it is doing EVERYTHING the way it was designed from the factory. In fact I have more fail safes now... I have better monitoring, cooler EGT's and if ANYHTING gets out of wack (i.e. TC slippage) It cuts everything back to stock power until you can find out why it happend and fix it to prevent you from causing damage!!!

For instance I was towing my 30' trailer up the blue ridge mountains on Power Level 3 (which is for best fuel economy, by far not most power) and when the Trans down shifted the Banks System detected a slip and knocked me back to stock... Trans temps never got higher than 198... and everything is and was fine... I made sure to just keep driving as to prevent down shifting during ascents and no more TC Slippage... Without that monitor I quit possibly never would have know what was actually happening and flogged the crap out of my trans and shot temps over 250 and burnt it up even with STOCK POWER.... What would Dodge have done then???

 

Yep. Safe, EXPENSIVE power.

 

Even the inline "decoders" will void your powertrain warranty. As they should. I have a Quadzilla X2. I would not expect any warranty. I have altered the horspower of the truck beyond what was intended for the rest of the powertrain. You have the same with the Banks system. I missed the 6 gun in your first post. The power adder should void warranty, and at most dealers, will. Banks may be "safe" power because of their safety's and all, but still goes beyond stock limits.

 

the last time i changed the fuild the magnet at the bottom of the pan was about twice as big cause of the sludge on it. would that come from the TC which i know slips constantly even under stock power or could i be tearing into the clutches inside the tranny. What would you guys do, new tranny or VB/TC truck only has 53000 on it but i dont wanna spend 1500 on VB/TC than have to get a tranny within 50000 mile. other than the 3 to 2 down shift it doesnt slip on shifts in any other gear.

 

If you are getting that much sludge and you have slippage on the 3-2 downshift, it's time for a rebuild. The internal clutches (not just the TC clutch) are shot.

You are in a situation where it is very tempting to be "penny wise, pound foolish" and you are smart to see it as such.

Once a tranny starts to slip at a give tq load, it will continue to slip at lower and lower tq loads until eventually the truck won't move.


I'd personally get a performance rebuild, but skip exotic hard parts like billet shafts. Even stock internals can hold up pretty well with a good TC/VB-- but your stock internals are too far worn, imo to make just a tc/vb an option.

If absolute lowest cost is your goal, I'd advise you to rebuild to stock, then install TC/VB from your vendor of choice.

Disclaimer: I have a 6-speed and no firsthand experience with CTD automatics.

 

But, the Smarty doesn't mount on the dash, and Smarty does not claim that it cannot be traced if it is installed when you take it in. Just that it is not traceable when installed and removed.

Merrick

 

I would plan on doing a complete overhaul. Sounds like you may have several problems. Take care of them all at once, or you'll get tired of yanking that tranny in and out. Some of that "sludge" on the bottom of the pan could be causing your governor pressure code too. Not really practical to clean them out though. Most new/aftermarket valve bodies come with the sensors as well.

 

my point about the claims of the smarty are not whether it's detectable or not- it's that when companies make statements about their product being undetectable or not voiding your warranty when the product is capable of adding 170 hp it leads to problems like this. some companies are basically saying "have a blast, use our product and if you break your truck simply remove product and lie to the dealer- they'll never know."

 

Funny....we have a Banks equipped 04 truck in the shop right now that broke the input shaft.

 

J body.... Banks doesn't account for ignorance!!! hahaha....

VZDude.... Don't get me wrong... I agree even with the Banks system, if I thrash my transmission from racing or just being a dumbazz chugging away with as much power as I can throw at it, I would never expect warranty coverage... but if I had a failure of a part (much like my injector) that is unrelated to any aftermarket parts I may have installed, I expect full warranty coverage!!!

I think this responsibilty falls on the owner and the dealers shoulders equally... Both need to figure out what caused the vehicle to break down, and who ever is responsible should pay for it... Again, I just don't think any aftermarket addition should give the dealers the right to blanket deny all warranty claims!