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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 06:33 PM
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getrag oil change

please help i cant remember what oil and how much to put in....thanks guys
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 07:29 PM
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I use Mobil 1 Synthetic 10W30 Extended Service or something like that. Just get a 5 qt jug and pour it down the shifter hole.
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 07:36 PM
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Mine leaks so much through the top breather I don't need to change it I just pour some more Mobil 5-30w in it.
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 07:42 PM
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Getrag transmissions have 3 real major problems but they can be solved.

The first is really not a fault of the trans but of the manufacturer of the truck. The pilot bushing that Dodge installed in the early trucks was not even close to good enough to do the job handed to it. They fail usually within 50000 miles, or less, of installation and in doing so cause the input shaft to not have any forward support. This leads to the shaft wobbling around and in turn wearing out the input bearing which leads to too much bearing play which causes the mainshaft bearings to self destruct.

The next problem comes from the rear mainshaft bearing not receiving enough oil. This causes the bearing to seize and spin the outer race in the case. It can be prevented by overfilling the case from 3.5 qts to 5 qts.

The third problem is that the countershaft bearings are not large enough for the application. If the truck is stock power and is never overloaded then they are fine. If you "hop it up" or tow really heavy loads then they are asked to go beyond their means. This is not so much of an issue if you use good oil and overfill as stated above.

I personally like my Getrag and will never trade it for an NV4500. They are easy to rebuild (after you get 'em out of the truck, they're really heavy) and are an all around good transmission if you use good synthetic oil in them ( I use Amsoil 5w-30w) and overfill them.
I agree with above overfill trans 1 1/2 quarts

More info here:
If you are going to do some heavy towing this cooler will keep trans temp down and increases fluid capacity by one quart. Also has plug for temp sensor install.

http://www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo....er=TRANSCOOL_1

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...0-t157961.html
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 09:14 PM
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will that Geno's garage unit fit our 1st-gens?
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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will that Geno's garage unit fit our 1st-gens?
I posted wrong link I corrected it.
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 10:20 PM
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will that Geno's garage unit fit our 1st-gens?
Yes, the getrag has a standard pattern PTO cover. Just don't be in a hurry, I tried to order a set from Geno's, after a month I cancelled the order, they don't seem to stock them and the manufacturer was wayyyy slow.
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Exekiel69
Mine leaks so much through the top breather I don't need to change it I just pour some more Mobil 5-30w in it.
It might be leaking so much because you overfill, the overfill. Just a thought. I have 5 quarts in mine and never leaks a drop.

Also that is wrong that just adding oil to a leaking, anything, is OK. After time the oil in that tranny will break down, new oil you add will have less than a 1/4 of it's usefullness due to being added to broke down oil. You still must change the fluid, even on leakers, you are causing harm by not changing it.
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MrExtreme
It might be leaking so much because you overfill, the overfill. Just a thought. I have 5 quarts in mine and never leaks a drop.

Also that is wrong that just adding oil to a leaking, anything, is OK. After time the oil in that tranny will break down, new oil you add will have less than a 1/4 of it's usefullness due to being added to broke down oil. You still must change the fluid, even on leakers, you are causing harm by not changing it.
Not really, at least not yet since I started doing this less than a year ago when I found the tranny was leaking and not from the input/output shaft.
Also I have a elbow fitting on the side of the tranny connected to a clear hose 5/8" ID and I can see if there is oil above the level of the fill plug or not and some times there is not so the tranny is not overfilled beyond capacity, I hoped that was it but I see it only leaks through the top right corner and I will have to keep filling it until I pull it and see what is going on with it.
Btw I only use 5-30w, that is what I heard here and from the guys at Zbag.

Thank You for Your concern.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 02:36 PM
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heythanksguysfor the info, i havechanged itmany times but for somereasoni couldnot remember. i donthavemuchtime for the computer, and i wish i did cause itsnice to getonthis site and. andget alot of info and ideas...thanks again...
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MrExtreme
I use Mobil 1 Synthetic 10W30 Extended Service or something like that. Just get a 5 qt jug and pour it down the shifter hole.
I looked at mine the other day (shifter top) pulled teh rubber off to look to see before I poured it in....and I cant see anyway that you could pour oil in to the trans this way. That ball (for lack of technical term) that the shifter goes into...is up solid against the shifter top. Do you push it down to fill it?

I was actually thinking of drilling the shifter top and threading in a hole (that I could cap later) and using that as a fill hole.

How do you get your oil into the trans from the top?
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 10:40 PM
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you actually pull the shifter out...the ball that you see is attached to the shifter arm and when removed you can see the shifting gate inside and that goes directly into the case
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by oliver92
you actually pull the shifter out...the ball that you see is attached to the shifter arm and when removed you can see the shifting gate inside and that goes directly into the case
I have had that out different times before, but had it on the bench and had one Heck of a time trying to get that ball back in there, I couldnt imagine trying to do that while the top was still attached to the trans ! Maybe I did something wrong. I was getting just doing it out of the truck, I cant imagine how many beers it would take to put back together
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