More importantly, why are we arguing, I mean debating this anyway? It is in the past, hopefully everyone has learned from it. I think those who have come to know me a liitle by my posts know that I am not a great Bush fan, but I respest the institution far more that to 'bash' any single person holding the position. There are plenty of important issues that face us, that we can discuss in how to solve better, by offering posible solutions, ideas, etc. instead of disparaging the actions that are being done. I hardly need to tell anyone that "that is bad" has never solved anything.

 

If you remember correctly, sexual harassment charges were filed against him by Monica Lewinsky, which is why the investigation started. If my mother, sister or daughter accused anyone of sexual harassment or sexual abuse I would hope it was investigated seriously and thoroughly; even if the alleged perpetrator is the POTUS.

This wasn't the witch hunt some would make it out to be. There was a solid foundation upon which this investigation and subsequent impeachment was conducted. I would agree that there were plenty of overzealous conservatives politicizing this more than it should have been. But, ultimately, I believe this is what saved Clinton from being impeached; it was made political. Therefore, the Senate voted down the impeachment along Party lines. The Democrats controlled it then...Had the impeachment been handled on its merit and followed to the letter of the law, it would have been carried through. He lied under oath and there are no two ways about it.

 

But, even though it's history, it's still relevant.

Why do we debate half the stuff we debate on here? It's fun...and besides, where else can I have this kind of spirited debate and the opportunity to share my opinions...I am married after all.

 

I'll drink to that ...care for a cold one?

 

It was stated earlier that the Right did everything to bring Clinton down by telling the world. Well I've been working overseas in different parts of this world and a lot liked Clinton. The reason everything was quite, No major wars in the middle east. Clinton would tell each person/country he was talking to what they wanted to hear, most of the time not the truth. After talking to the people I have meet in Europe, Asia and Australia that liked Clinton and telling them a few well known items about Slick Willie, these people just look at me and say they never heard that part of the story. So I guess the Right did not do enough to tell the people of the world about Clinton.
I could have run this country after Regan took care of the cold war. The economy was on the way up and helping to bring the country towards balance budgets. As was mentioned, anyone can drive a new car but few can keep it running for very long. Clinton is not much of a mechanic.
Two people brought me to vote Republican. Ronald Reagan started the motion and Bill Clinton surely finished it off for good. When he pointed his finger at me while on television and LIED about what he did in my HOUSE,that was it. I guess he had time for crap like that because President Hilary was trying to push the buttons for him,
Hilary and socialized medicine, Ha, Talk to most in the UK about their socialized medicine and you'll find out it is a farce, draining state funds. Some carry private insurance just to get good service, such as just getting admitted to a hospital and not having to wait a year. Just go to a Charity hospital in Louisiana and get a good look at what the future would be. Even people in Norway which is one of the wealthier nations per capita aren’t satisfied with their socialized medicine. They would rather be in the streets of New York if they would have a heart attack because of better medical attention.
If Hilary is elected the theatre sounds good to me, May send J W Booth an invite.

Gene

 

Interesting point this, please see the new thread Letter of the law.

It has nothing to do with this subject that is why I am not continuing it here.

 

I don't even care if it's cold, just cool will do, as long as there's more than one.

 

Yea, I have plenty, must save some for the old sage too.

That is what I like about some of these discusions, an honest presentation of ones point of view, and sticking to the subject, leaving anything personal out of it.

For the record: I will not vote for Hillary. I just do no believe she'd make a good President.

 

This should bring Herb back out.

I honestly don't believe anyone in their right mind would vote for Hillary. If for no other reason than the one you just stated.

 

My comment was to a response refering to "half" of an earlier reply i had left. Basically I stated that Clinton had left us a Federal economic surplus and Armaments for Bush to invade Iraq with.
When a reply to it was made it just a sarcastic comment on the "surplus", avoiding the mentioning of the stock pile of amaments he had left.
I am glad a surplus of weaponry was left by Clinton and was OK with it being used in Afganastan.
I will steer clear of a sarcastic comment on the invasion of Iraq

 

Ok. I see now. I thought you were saying that it was a bad thing about us going after Al Quaeda after 9/11. Now I am going to have to agree with you about Iraq. I believe that we should have stuck to the primary target (Osama Bin Laden) and gotten him first before we went after Saddam in Iraq. But alas I am not the president and I'm sure that he was given intelligence that you and I have not received(and probably never will) and he made a decision based on that intelligence and for that I will support him.

 

Was he given that intelligence by the same folks who advised him of the impending attacks by Iraq's WMD's , or the terrorist links that were tied too (and later disproved) that Iraq had ?
I can do a lot of forgiving of King George just by beleiving that he relys heavily on bad information from people he trusts and perhaps does not possess the ability to realize he is getting bad information.

 

herb, unfortunately, neither of us will probably ever be able to answer that question. I just have to believe that he is making the best decisions possible with the information given him. Be it good or bad info/decisions.

 

herb, the trial of Sadam has a tape of Sadam and one of his generals talking about what to do with the WMD if the US attacks.

DOES that mean anything?

 

I would not be overly concerned if a person was standing in front of me pointing his finger at me and saying he was going to shoot me with the gun he had in his hand.
I might think he was making idle threats .