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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 07:53 PM
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I found this...now we all can see what baby-killer Hillary stands for.....and what she doesnt.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

read it...then tell me you'll still vote for her.
Old Feb 28, 2006 | 08:01 PM
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I found this...now we all can see what baby-killer Hillary stands for.....and what she doesnt.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

read it...then tell me you'll still vote for her.
absolutly !!!

Thanks for the website.
Old Feb 28, 2006 | 08:42 PM
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No problemo herb....I have to say this is a very interesting thread. And we all know that you want Hillary in office...and most others here dont...including myself...I have no respect for her whatsoever. But this all is just a difference in opinion...and thats it. We all have our own idea of how we want this country to be run. And all have our likes and dislike of various leaders in this country. With that being said...NONE of us and I mean NONE. know what is actually going on in the White House or any other place or orgainization that we are not wholly part of. We know what we all hear on the news..and we never get the full details..either due to us not hearing the whole story..or someone not giving all of the information. And that causes us to make up our own conclusions. The President now and forever, is never going to be like by everyone, and will always get critisism from someone.

But it seems like lately people are getting up in arms more and more about things that they disagree with. Its like if you dont agree with someone about something then they are your enemy that you must destroy! Its like everyone is going backwards and we are starting to act like people in 3rd world countries were there are riots and many people are killed just because a group of people didnt want this particular person elected or they didnt want a certain law passed. I know it hasnt come to that point here in the United States, but lately it seems like if people aren't happy they are hating. And thats very very wrong.

Dont hate.....debate!! (I just made that up myself!)
Old Feb 28, 2006 | 09:11 PM
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No problemo herb....I have to say this is a very interesting thread. And we all know that you want Hillary in office...and most others here dont...including myself...I have no respect for her whatsoever. But this all is just a difference in opinion...and thats it. We all have our own idea of how we want this country to be run. And all have our likes and dislike of various leaders in this country. With that being said...NONE of us and I mean NONE. know what is actually going on in the White House or any other place or orgainization that we are not wholly part of. We know what we all hear on the news..and we never get the full details..either due to us not hearing the whole story..or someone not giving all of the information. And that causes us to make up our own conclusions. The President now and forever, is never going to be like by everyone, and will always get critisism from someone.

But it seems like lately people are getting up in arms more and more about things that they disagree with. Its like if you dont agree with someone about something then they are your enemy that you must destroy! Its like everyone is going backwards and we are starting to act like people in 3rd world countries were there are riots and many people are killed just because a group of people didnt want this particular person elected or they didnt want a certain law passed. I know it hasnt come to that point here in the United States, but lately it seems like if people aren't happy they are hating. And thats very very wrong.

Dont hate.....debate!! (I just made that up myself!)
I agree, and i do not hate King Gearge as a person, but i Hate what i perceive as a vast amount of damage that has been and is being inflicted on our country by attempting to force other countrys/society to accept our way of life.
it is about as productive as right wingers and left wingers trying to make each other accept their way of thinking.
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 02:54 AM
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Cheney in 08' .....
OMG. I can't believe someone actually suggested Cheney. I have absolutely NO RESPECT for that man!

He's the EPITOME of an arroganant Fat Cat Corrupt Republican Neo-Conservatism! He and his Cronies truly believe they are ABOVE the Law.

Isn't this Administration doing a fine job of running this Country INTO THE GROUND!! Apparently, ALOT of GOP Govenors feel that they are!! If THAT doesn't speak volumes, I don't know what does!

Even Shawn Hannity is ****** OFF at the current Administration !!!

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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 03:45 AM
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Most of the things I disagree with this administration on are things they have done to appease the Democrats like education, the federal goverment is not to have any part of education that is not the feds job that is a state responsibilty, this @#$% perscription drug welfare deal that he has brought on us to appease the dems knowing nothing he can do is going to make them happy is just expensive and welfare cut and dried. I don't agree with the port deal whether it is good business or not it is a good way to put a Dem in the white house in '08 and in the house and senate in '06! If Cheney isn't shooting someone in the face it's W shooting himself in the foot!
With all that said there is no comparing this administration to the previous one. This administration I feel even in the mistakes it has made it made in good faith to help our country. I feel George Bush has done what he feels to be in the best interest of this country no matter what. I'm proud to have GW as my president. As has been said here I don't agree with everything that he has done in respect to the small stuff but I stand firmly behind him on the big picture stuff like Iraq, and the economy.
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy505

Dont hate.....debate!! (I just made that up myself!)
First.... Very good post Andy.... When debate decends to name calling and bashing, it is no longer "debate" , it is merely garbage...

I have a rather novel method of deciding who gets my one little ole vote...
I DONT CARE what "party" they belong to per se....
I try and look at the INDIVIDUALS charactor and his/her stated views on the topics I beleive important.......
I personaly beleive that ANYONE who votes based on party lines is corrupting the democratic process as it was envisioned to work and is doing a dis-service to our country. I would love to see the two-party system dismantled.

Tha tbeing said, I dont beleive I could possibly even consider voting for Hillary, EVER. She has shown a decided lask of charactor to me. ( Bill's stuff should have been out the window and she should not have kept quite and aided in his perjury by doing so).
GW has shown a great deal of charactor, but a decided lack of empathy or tact in dealing with foreign goverments as well as the general public, and this is a part of the job...


Bottom line folks is we all have the issues and topics that we as individuals think are improtant and we support the elected officials who best represent our views on those...
All the debate in the world will not change that, and this has been debated so many times that it was actually boring to read through this thread....
time to move on to a new topic, and let your votes in the next election decide the matter......

saidmorethanIintendedto...............CD
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 06:24 AM
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OMG. I can't believe someone actually suggested Cheney. I have absolutely NO RESPECT for that man!

He's the EPITOME of an arroganant Fat Cat Corrupt Republican Neo-Conservatism! He and his Cronies truly believe they are ABOVE the Law.

Isn't this Administration doing a fine job of running this Country INTO THE GROUND!! Apparently, ALOT of GOP Govenors feel that they are!! If THAT doesn't speak volumes, I don't know what does!

Even Shawn Hannity is ****** OFF at the current Administration !!!

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Not looking to argue, just want some clarification so I can form my own opinion...

What did you mean by the GOP governors feel the administration is running the country into the ground?

Also, please fill me in on the facts that lead you to believe VP Cheney thinks he's above the law and that he is a neo-conservative.
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 08:27 AM
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...I feel George Bush has done what he feels to be in the best interest of this country no matter what...
The problem GW is facing is that the situation being what it is, a lot of people take it the same way as "...what is good for General Motors is good for the country" Look where it got GM.
Personaly, my problem is that like any man, he and through him the administration has made mistakes. There is no arguing that. Unlike Reagan we have nbot seen a humbling moment yet.
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 08:28 AM
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Yea Chris, if only more people would do so, without a doubt we would be better off.
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gobucks
Not looking to argue, just want some clarification so I can form my own opinion...

What did you mean by the GOP governors feel the administration is running the country into the ground?
I'd would be a pleasure.

Credit again goes to CNN.....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/....gopdismay.ap/

Republican governors worried about Bush missteps






WASHINGTON (AP) -- Republican governors are openly worrying that the Bush administration's latest stumbles -- from the natural disaster of Hurricane Katrina to those of its own making on prescription drugs and ports security -- are taking an election-year toll on the party back home.

The GOP governors reluctantly acknowledge that the series of gaffes threatens to undermine public confidence in President Bush's ability to provide security, which has long been his greatest strength among voters.

"You've got solid conservatives coming up speaking like they haven't before, it's likely that something's going on at the grass roots," said Republican Mark Sanford of South Carolina. "Whether it's temporary or not remains to be seen."

The unease was clear in interviews with more than a dozen governors over the weekend, including nearly half of the Republicans attending the winter meeting of the National Governors Association. The annual conference was taking place in a capital enthralled by the political firestorm over government plans to approve takeover of operations at some terminals at six U.S. ports by a company owned by the United Arab Emirates government. (Full story)

Democrats see opportunity, and even those in conservative states say the administration's missteps will have a ripple effect politically at home. "I do think there's a considerable degree of skepticism about what's been happening at the federal level," said Democrat Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas. "If you didn't pick it up on Katrina, you did when you tried to help your parents" get drugs through the new Medicare program.

Bush's weakness

But it wasn't Bush's political opponents alone who saw weaknesses. So did his allies -- listing the days of chaos in New Orleans after the hurricane, the nationwide confusion over the drug prescription program that forced many states to step in to help seniors get medications, and the ports security debacle that has drawn criticism from

Republican governors are openly worrying that the Bush administration's latest stumbles -- from the natural disaster of Hurricane Katrina to those of its own making on prescription drugs and ports security -- are taking an election-year toll on the party back home.

leading Republicans in Congress and the states.

"I don't think he was well served on the port issue by the bureaucracy," said Republican Dirk Kempthorne of Idaho, who is leading a united front of governors pushing back on potential reductions to National Guard forces. "He's at the forefront on national security. When you combine this flap on the ports, and these potential cuts on the military, you need to make sure that issue doesn't slip away. It's one of his strengths."

He also said the lack of communication from the administration on the Guard issue has been a problem. "There has been too much we have learned outside the loop. It's time we be inside the loop."

Republican Bob Taft of Ohio offered judgment on Katrina: "This is hindsight, but it was a mistake to bury FEMA under the Department of Homeland Security."

In his state, where manufacturing job losses have left much of the Midwest lagging behind the improved economies that much of the rest of the country has seen in the past two years, the economy plays a bigger role. "There's a sense it's more wrong direction than right track. That affects how they feel about the president, it affects how they feel about anybody in power. It's bound to play some role in the elections" for Congress and the governors race.

Other Republican governors said that while constituents back home were paying attention, much could change for the better before elections nine months off.

The Medicare program left several governors shaking their heads, though they said efforts to improve it were helping. "Probably the design of the plan could've been better," said Republican Don Carcieri of Rhode Island. Bush has called for steps to limit the confusion. Still, Carcieri was sure voters would forgive, both on the drugs and on the hurricane response. "They're more understanding of that kind of thing. They understand they're only human."

The bigger problem, as he and several others saw it, is Iraq. "The biggest cumulative effect weighing on everybody is the war," Carcieri said.

Even governors from parts of the country where support remains rock solid said they've seen a change as the months, and the deaths, piled up.

"What was ebullient before has now -- it's a more muted response. (Support for the war) still may be past the 51 percent mark, but it's a quieter level," Sanford said.

'Anybody with a brain'

Republican Haley Barbour of Mississippi said midterm elections for second-term presidents are historically disastrous for parties in power, a fact that has Republican governors skittish about November. "Anybody with a brain in their heads knows that '06 historically could be a weak year for Republicans," said the former chairman of the Republican National Committee. "It has less to do with the weakness of the president."

For Republican Mitch Daniels of Indiana, who served in the administration as budget director and left to run for governor, the stumbles are undeniable but must be seen in context. "There's a lot of lousy luck involved," he said. "I'm not saying the White House hasn't had better days, but I'm probably not nearly so hard on them as most."

His return to a Washington weathering a barrage of criticism reminded him of the benefits of leaving. "I'm proud to have been associated with this administration. But second terms are tough. I think they've caught some bad breaks. I'm not yearning to be more than a tourist here."
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Katmandu
I'd would be a pleasure.

Credit again goes to CNN.....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/....gopdismay.ap/

You realize of course that CNN is a liberal biased network right?
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Katmandu
I'd would be a pleasure.

Credit again goes to CNN.....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/....gopdismay.ap/
By your statement I thought there was some kind of unified front against the administration. It's not like the Republican Governor's Association passed a resolution denouncing the President or anything. As a matter of fact the RGA didn't do a lousy press release on the issue...It appears to me a reporter looking for a story sought comment from the governors on Bush's slipping poll numbers and how it may effect mid term elections. Obviously, not a lot of other news outlets picked up on the story outside of CNN; which as Herb said, you must consider the source. I would say it was more acknowledgement of the issues facing the administration, than condemnation. I, like many of the governors, will readily acknowledge that Hurricane Katrina was not handled properly (on any level of government, not just federally) and a few things could have been handled differently in Iraq. But, I won't say this administration is running this country into the ground, and neither did they.
Old Mar 1, 2006 | 05:48 PM
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I believe it was Paula Jones who filed sexual harrassment charges against Bill Clinton. She was as permiscuous as any but an opportunist. Monica Lewinsky knew Bill had a weakness for women and seduced him. She flashed her well rounded T-back adorned back side to him after the convention dinner at the hotel. She mislead him and he acted on bad intelligence. At worst he stained her dress and she kept it uncleaned so she could screw him over. When most poeple are embarrassed about something, they'll downplay it and say as little as possible about it until it fades away. The right wasn't embarrassed about it. The right saw it as an opportunity to bring Clinton down and turned it into an international ordeal that it wasn't. The world isn't driven to shock at the prospect of a man cheating on his wife. It's more common than not. The right blew it way out of proportion for the sole purpose of humiliating him in front of the world and drumming up impeachment procedings. I thought the whole ordeal was very dumb on his part and very childish on the right's part.
Nothing in Iraq is going as planned. They are on the brink of civil war for religious differences. It will never work for the same reasons it has never worked in the past. They are religious wackos. The Taliban is making it's way back into power in Afghanistan and Iraq will be devided into religious factions and we will have accomplished nothing but making matters worse in the middle east. But at least it was expensive and costly in the lives of our service personel that we support by sending them into a no win situation and buying little magnetic stickers for our vehicles.
Hillary a baby killer? Our very own Bible commands killing babies along with women, children and anything that flies or creapeth upon the earth. Our very own religion that our nation was founded on. If we live by the word of Jesus, then we need to make some serious changes to our capitalist lifestyles. I believe Jesus was in favor of re-distribution of wealth. It's in the Bible.



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