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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Riflemanusmc
Most of us here have children. And most here know I'm alittle high strung.
YOU'RE high strung? Really? HUH!




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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:58 PM
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try to remove the legal fears. focus more on the protection aspect and know how and why to use what your keep in your house (shotgun, .22 rifle, handgun, etc.)

85% of intruders are looking for a quick money grab. (5% on drugs and do not register fear)

of those, 40% are opportunists. sensible reaction causes them to fear for their life. more fear if opposite races.

keep your bushes trimmed down from windows, entrances or make them the thorny kind.
well lit areas, motion lights, dogs number 1 alarm system.

every bad guy fears a well armed, calm home owner.... do not think about 'killing'; think about keeping them gone.

30 years of listening to bad guys complain about crimes gone wrong, LOL!
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisreyn
Cant say this is a really great line of thought... this is how people accidentally shoot loved ones or innocents... KNOW what your shooting at before you EVER put that finger inside the trigger gaurd!
Target identification is critical!

Imagine yourself trying to articulate the reason you shot and killed someone when you cant even say you knew who/what it was?
Why would you pump the shotgun? I mean, why on earth would you even get a weapon out in a situation like that and NOT have a round in the chamber before you ever confronted someone, even verbally?

The key to all of this is being able to arcticulate why/when and how you made EVERY decision leading up to actually pulling the trigger..
First of all I am assuming that everyone that lives in my house is at home.
If it were someone that I knew, they would respond when I asked something like "Who is there?" or "Who are you?"
If no response, I would then pump the first shell into the chamber of the shot gun because most people know what a shotgun pump sounds like and will understand they are about to be shot "Graveyard dead" if they proceed.

I am not going to just start shooting without some kind of "Investigation"
I guess you misunderstood where I was going in my thread.

Target identification is critical!

True, but I am not the one going into a building unfamiliar to me with a weapon drawn and ready to shoot at an unknown target. I am in my own home where everybody that is supposed to be there, is there.
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chaikwa
YOU'RE high strung? Really? HUH!




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Oh, stop it......
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rockcrawler304
First of all I am assuming .............................
Thats the rub.. assumptions are generally wrong

Originally Posted by rockcrawler304
I am in my own home where everybody that is supposed to be there, is there.
Read Riflemans post..... everyone was supposed to be there right?.... ya never realy know ...
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 06:30 PM
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I see nothing wrong with that type of gun control
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisreyn
Thats the rub.. assumptions are generally wrong



Read Riflemans post..... everyone was supposed to be there right?.... ya never realy know ...
So what you are telling me is that if your child, for example, was coming in late (unexpectedly) and you yelled out something like "Who is there?" your child would remain silent???

My daughter would NOT be silent. She will also know without a doubt that I will have a gun ready to protect my family and will speak up. Hell, she will more than likely also have her concealed carry permit!
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 06:47 PM
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You don't "shoot to kill", you "eliminate the threat". I won't shoot for a limb, center of mass and with a 45 Hornady TAP, threat eliminated. I wish you could send this to all the crooks out there, let them know we've had enough.
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rockcrawler304;2651217/

The problem with what some above had said is that in MOST situations like this, it will be at night time and obviously dark. I would rather shoot to kill than to hope the intruder did not have a gun and try to decide in the dark if it is a real threat or just a small unarmed threat. I would also not turn on any lights. I would yell something first, pump the shot gun and if there is still movement that sounds like it is still coming into the house, there would be a shot or two real quick!
Look guy in your first post you stated you'd " rather shoot to kill" than to determine if it were and actaul threat or not.... if thats not what you meant to say, be more careful in your wording..because you said youd rather shoot than find out...

The other thing alot of people dont realize is that in the wake of a shooting incident , things such as what you wrote on a webpage or thoughtless statements made to your buddies can and usualy ARE brought up in court, and can bite ya in the keester...
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisreyn
Look guy in your first post you stated you'd " rather shoot to kill" than to determine if it were and actaul threat or not.... if thats not what you meant to say, be more careful in your wording..because you said youd rather shoot than find out...

The other thing alot of people dont realize is that in the wake of a shooting incident , things such as what you wrote on a webpage or thoughtless statements made to your buddies can and usualy ARE brought up in court, and can bite ya in the keester...
No need to get uptight. I am just explaining what I would do. I did not go into a lot of detail in my first post but the comments that followed got me to just give more detail. It is obvious from the posts here that all people are raised differently. And luckily here in Texas it is a very lenient state that protects the home owner in most all cases as long as the owner has a good clean background which I do and intend to keep. I would have no problem killing to protect my family and going to court to if needed.
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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No one should ever enter into a confrontation or allow an intruder to confront them unless there is a round in the chamber. It takes less time for an attacker to cover 15 feet of your hallway than for you to chamber a round and bring your weapon into the "ready" position- especially if you're not entering the situation with the right mindset, which is to defend your and your family's lives at all costs.

Full magazine, round chambered, safety off, finger outside the guard, and with the best tactical flashlight you can find to illuminate the intruder. Remember, the guy kicking in your door or jimmying your window is coming into the situation prepared and with his own mindset. He's not delivering girlscout cookies. Be ready to meet him. You know your house and he doesn't- use doorframes, corners, walls and other cover to your advantage. Above all, identify your target as an actual threat before engaging. You don't want to shoot your drunk neighbor, you kid or one of their friends.
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 09:38 AM
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Hehehe, my Springfield has no safety switch.
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 11:20 AM
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I emphatically agree with you guys. One bit of info I would like to add. In my state anything more than one shot is interpreted as premeditated. Frontal body shot only, and the perp has to be armed and inside of your home. So if all this criteria is met then make your one shot count, if you miss pass the weapon off to you wife, she can blast away indiscriminately.

Dam liberals.
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Hvytrkmech
In my state anything more than one shot is interpreted as premeditated. Frontal body shot only, and the perp has to be armed and inside of your home.
But if there's no witnesses and no body...
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Hvytrkmech
I emphatically agree with you guys. One bit of info I would like to add. In my state anything more than one shot is interpreted as premeditated. Frontal body shot only, and the perp has to be armed and inside of your home. So if all this criteria is met then make your one shot count, if you miss pass the weapon off to you wife, she can blast away indiscriminately.

Dam liberals.
In my state, If they are dead in YOUR house and you are sticking with the story that you were in fear for your life. then your actions were justified. Oklahoma has two laws known as the Castle doctrine and the stand your ground law. You dont have to attempt to flee, and your allowed to use any force necessary to remain safe in any location your allowed to legally be armed.
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