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Old 06-01-2008, 03:40 PM
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Has anyone tried anything like this? http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=jethro3737 If anyone has any experience or knows any more about this i would appreciate any info you might have. Thanks
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If it worked, it would be the #1 selling thing ever.. Mythbusters bought something like this and tested it. Does not work at all....
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My son saw it work on a lawn mower motor at a Memorial Day event at Point Mallard Park in Decatur ,AL.
In the intake of the carb this man had washer that just fit the intake, with a hose fixed to the washer. This hose came from the hydro gen. When the hose was pulled off, the motor would go dead.
I wasn't there, but that was what my son saw.
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I tried a single cell on a 94 ranger, didnt seem to do anything. havnt tried multiple cells or thier other systems yet so cant say for sure. you can find the books on most of the p2p file sharing sites.
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I have to agree it sounds good. I also figured if it was true everyone would be making one. I don't want to mess up my truck, my luck it would cause more trouble than I need.
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It would take more energy (electrical in this case) to make the hydrogen then the power gained from the engine, so it would be a net loss.

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I don't see how that would work, it doesn't add up. Diesel fuel has about 140000 BTU per gallon and Hydrogen has about 325 BTU per cu ft. Now ignoring the efficiency for this and use 20 MPG usage and a speed of 60 MPH, my truck consumes 7000 BTU per mile (140000/20) while driving a mile per minute. Now the hydrogen generator must make 1/10 of that 7000 BTU per mile to make some sort of difference . So that means 700 BTU of Hydrogen or 2.15 cubic feet per minute. That Hydrogen generator would have to be a frothing mess to even generate that. I realize my numbers are pretty general but you get the idea why it won't make any reasonable difference.
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Hydrogen genarator

There is aroun 20 of us hear looking into building one for several vehicles I will keep you upto date on progreass if any.
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They do not work unless you spend a large amount of time working on it. I bought one back in January and put it on my wife's Z71. Before the truck got about 15 in town and about 20 on the highway. Afterwards, my mileage actually went down.

The reason is, I suspect that the alternator is constantly pulling max load to provide the 25-30 amps of power to run the HH2 generator. With all the electronics on the truck the alternator just can't handle the extra load of the HH2.

The other problem is getting the mixture of KOH (or whatever your kit says to use) and water right. There is no easy way to do it other than a lot of trial an error. Unless you have some pre-mixed, you have to sit at the gas station and try to get the cell filled and can be a PITA.

For me, it seemed like the benefit of a potential increase of a few MPG was offset by the fact that you had to spend so much time getting the unit set-up and running right. Your experience may vary.
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There is a big problem with this device. It is made of glass. When working with hydroxy (HHO) you never want to use glass for anything. This gas is a perfect explosive mix and needs very little to explode. The slightest static spark, one you can't see or feel will set it off. The glass can become shrapnel.
A hard fact to get around is, you must have at least 4% hydrogen to support combustion. This thing could not possibly get close to that. For a cell to be efficient it needs 1.6 volts and a lot of amps, anything over that voltage just makes heat. This is why you hear a lot of guys who have these things talk about how hot they get. The way around this is to put 6 or 7 in series. Each cell will drop about 2 volts each and run a lot cooler and make a lot more gas.
Now back to the 4%. Our engines are 5.9 L and at 2000 rpm that would be 11800 L of air per minute.
For a 4% mix it would need 472 L per minute(about 6psi out of an open 1/4 line). This is for a naturally aspirated engine, with boost it will require more. These things are lucky to make 2 L per minute and 1/3 of what it makes is oxygen. I have been messing with this for 2 years. I have monitored an engine with a computer with one of these style electrolyzers and it did not affect the load on the engine one bit even at idle.
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Once you find a way to get enough Hydrogen in to the intake how much Oxygen does the Hydrogen displace?
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Sure you could zap water withg electricity to make hydrogen.. like charging a battery. But the energy input is much more than the energy out.
Certain species of algae produce hydrogen in the absence of sulphur...
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