vegasdieselboy

here in nevada its 10$ a gallon or 1000 whichever is more but mostly aimed at big rigs google dyed diesel and your state name and will give alittle more info thanks

Chrisreyn

Teh difference is that the one is illegal and the other isnt... yet..

there has been legislation introiduced in a few states to regulate and tax home-based fuels used on teh public roads( per a CNN story in January 2007)... we'll have to see waht happens with those...
on the Fed level, you can produce up to 400 gallons a year of ANY fuel for personal use and remain tax exempt. The "off-road" fuel is sold as tax exempt for agricultural use, tho many use it for off-road recreational use. That is why it is tax-fruad to run it on road and illegal, same as claiming a farm exemption on the sales tax a the local TSC and not having a qualifying farm...

infidel

Reading that section of the IRS code it appears to me that penalty only applies to people selling dyed fuel.

torquefan

I didn't know that part. Otherwise, untaxed homemade fuel would seem just as illegal technically as untaxed dyed fuel.

sgrooms

The government doesn't like for anyone to screw the population but themselves.

chipmonk

funny you should mention that- a 2 year, gov't commoissioned study concluded that a .40 per gallon fed gas tax increase should be instituted, which was .10 per gallon less than rep. john dingell of michigan wants. the fed gov't takes in somewhere around $50 billion annually, with the current 18.4 cent per gallon tax, and the states tack on their own tax, which in many cases is even more than the fed tax. the 3 worst highway systems in the country are NJ, Alaska, and NY- now the reason for Alaska is simply a combination of a very low (8 cents per gallon) tax, combined with very bad weather, limited use, and remoteness of many of their roads. as for NJ (14.5 cents gas, 17.5 cents diesel tax) and NY (a whopping 31.9 cents gas, 28.9 cents diesel tax), the reasons were primarily massive amounts of money spent on administrative costs- road repair money being spent on things other than road repair (of course in NY's case, it could have been ex governor elliot spitzer's tapping into some of the money to pay for flights and 5 star luxury hotels, so he could hold special meetings with the young women he had hired for his 'special friends' project).

dj_souvlaki

haven't heard of anyone around here getting dipped.

ian515

so the question was brought up today about the legality of pulling someone over and dipping their tank.....so, anyone know what the rules are? is it anything goes, see a diesel commercial or non and they have the authority to dip, or does probable cause have any play in that at all?

Shovelhead

Driving on public roads in the US is considered a privilege, not a right.

The state issues you both a tag for your vehicle, and a driver's permit.

If you're on a public road, you're fair game.

You CAN always refuse to be searched.........but I'm sure there are consequences for refusal.

chipmonk

one of my buddys whose a local leo, told me that you do have the right to refuse a search, so unless there is probable cause (a leo sees you purchasing untaxed fuel, you have a fuel leak, and it is clearly red, etc.), what could the consequences be?

ian515

thats what I thought, but never researched it till tonight.

chipmonk

a friend flew out to visit last year, and rented a car after landing. on her way to our house, she was pulled over on what was called a 'routine traffic stop', and was asked if the officer could have a look through her car. she said that she had no intention of letting the officer go through all of her luggage (she was staying for 2 weeks), and let him know that all of her luggage had been screened at the airport, and also let him know that, before he passed away, her dad was a leo for over 20 years, and she is aware that without any probable cause, she did not have to let him search the car. the officer kept trying to get her permission, and said things like 'if you're not hiding anything, then there's nothing to worry about', but she refused, and was eventually left to go on her way with a sarcastic remark by the officer.

ian515

i do a lot of work with police officers, and have a lot of friends who are leo's. so I was always pretty aware of what the rules and regs where. but I kept reading these threads about fines for off road diesel, and almost got the impression that there was some super secret police force out there that stalked all diesel vehicles and was allowed to dip the tank whenever they felt.

Totallyrad

No secret Ian, they're called the DOT.

imbodie

Just did a search on "dyed fuel Arkansas" and saw where you are required to file on a yearly basis the number of gallons of bio-fuel that you produce and to pay the state rate of .225 per gallon on that fuel that you produce......

Guess it would still be cheaper in the end than buying the fuel....

Never found anything about fines for running dyed fuel though....
-Tim