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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 10:06 AM
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Bio Diesel in a first gen.

Ok I picked up a load of fuel while on the road. I carry a transfer tank and filled both my truck and the tank with 110 gallons of bio diesel. Now my truck is a 92. This was commercial fuel at a fuel station not someone's home grown fuel. I don't know the % of the bio. My question is will this hurt my truck to run this fuel through? It may take a month or so to burn. The transfer tank is a marine grade aluminum tank I had made. Will this effect the tank in that amount of time or will it effect anything with the percentage of bio you get from the fuel stations?

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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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My guess it's b20. Thats the most common at fuel stations. It should have said on the pump, but anyway it wont hurt your tank at all. The only thing you'll have to keep a eye on is the fuel filter and any rubber fuel lines, other than that the first gen should love it. Welcome to the team!! any questions give me a pm
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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Your fuel lines and seal are not going to be happy. It will probably take quite awhile to notice the effects but eventually your going to get burned. Also being how old your rig is you most likely have a serious amount of deposits in your lines and tanks. With only b-20 you might not have to change them as much as you would for higher % but don't be supprised if you go through 6-10 filters before you get it all cleaned out.
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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Thanks guys.

I wasn't goin to stay with the bio I just got a load of it on the way home. Now I did get about 110 gallons. I just started to read a few threads and was concerned as to wheather it would harm the pump seals or anything else until I could burn the amount I have now. If it would be a problem I would dilute it and burn it off over a period of time mixing it with regular diesel. I don't want to cause any problems. It will take about a month or so to use it up.
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 12:25 PM
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I've run B100 in my '92 for the last 3 summers, some home-brew, mostly RMBI ASTM certified B100. Winters I run B50-B80, depending on weather.

I've not had a fuel line issue to date in the Cummins as they are PVC lines and do fine with B100 use. Even the short stub sections at the tank (IIRC) haven't been an issue.

You will go through a few filters at first (with B100 use, probably not with B20 - from the pump), but it will run so much more quiet and smoothly on B100, it's well worth it.

If you run into issues you "think" are related to Bio use, email me or LMK what it is and I'll help with whatever I can.

BTW, I work on alternative fueled vehicles day in and day out, principally specializing in Mercedes and Cummins/Powerstroke/GM 6.2/5.

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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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Hey thanks again. I'm starting to get the warm fuzzy feeling again. I was a bit concerned. Pumps and such aren't cheap at all I found that out the hard way.

Anyway I guess I have nothing to worry about. I will say one thing though. With the pump turned up and pullin the fifth wheel on diesel she would lay down a ton of smoke while excellerating. With the bio she puts out just some and clears up real nice. If it won't cause any real problems except changin the filter (it probably needs it anyway) if I could get it locally I would. Can't find it around here though.

Can ya run the B20 in the winter in the north?
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Old Sep 16, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by thumbs
Can ya run the B20 in the winter in the north?
I live in MA and I won't run bio at all in the winter. Too me it is not worth the risk of gelling. I do know people who run B20 all winter but they have been stuck on the side of the road gelled.

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Old Sep 16, 2006 | 08:23 PM
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How about B20 in the winter?

Also with straight diesel I use an additive for lube and some other stuff. With bio do you need to add a lube to protect the pump?
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by thumbs
How about B20 in the winter?
I've run B20 year round for five years, no problems down to minus 30F.
I use a double dose of Power Service in the winter and wouldn't even consider running more than 20% bio in my climate.
Power Service has a product called Arctic Express made for B20 or less that will protect down to -40°
more info http://www.powerservice.com/arcticexp_bd_antigel.asp
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Old Sep 27, 2006 | 11:43 PM
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BIO Diesel?

here locally theres a young diesel mechanic that Runs BIO in His Diesel pick Up He says He gets Free milage running Bio--but--He starts it on reg Diesel & after it warms UP to normal Temp-switches over to BIO & aprox 5 or 6 miles? from his Desternation He switches back over to Reg Diesel so when He reaches where Ever? it running on Reg diesel--this is HIS cold weather driving system--He don*t BUY BIO He makes his Own! in the Bed of His Truck his BIO tank is Heated & has two Gages? on TOP I dono? what thier For? as I remember yrs Ago He had a VW diesel powered pick Up that Blew the Doors Off many local Hot Rodders & he made quite a name for himself! & Now when Hes Asked about GAS Engines? Hes says Whats GAS? ending the Subject! & Smiles!--Ole JIM--
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ole JIM
here locally theres a young diesel mechanic that Runs BIO in His Diesel pick Up He says He gets Free milage running Bio--but--He starts it on reg Diesel & after it warms UP to normal Temp-switches over to BIO & aprox 5 or 6 miles? from his Desternation He switches back over to Reg Diesel so when He reaches where Ever? it running on Reg diesel--this is HIS cold weather driving system--He don*t BUY BIO He makes his Own! in the Bed of His Truck his BIO tank is Heated & has two Gages? on TOP I dono? what thier For? as I remember yrs Ago He had a VW diesel powered pick Up that Blew the Doors Off many local Hot Rodders & he made quite a name for himself! & Now when Hes Asked about GAS Engines? Hes says Whats GAS? ending the Subject! & Smiles!--Ole JIM--
Well that sounds more like a straight veggie oil burner system. With those you need to warm up the oil and the fuel lines to get it thin enough to inject.
Biodiesel (good quality) over here will have a cloud point of -20C (-4F) worst case. And ith the high cetane rating (in the 60s) it will be very easy to start the engine as long as the fuel flows and can be injected.

Just my 2c

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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 11:02 AM
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Running B40 right now no issues yet
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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 10:08 PM
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Any worries about the inside of the ve? Anyone have a list of stuff that should be changed to prevent bio problems? I'm planning a Cummins transfer into another truck and would like to do it all at once.
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