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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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Blue smoke/rough idle at start up and while idling...

As stated in the title...what is this all about? Anybody else have this problem? Truck only has close to 12K...I recently started using Howe's Meaner Power Cleaner a few thousand miles ago...8oz per tank, and I would like to think that this additive isn't causing my truck to idle roughly...I also thought that maybe I got a bad tank of fuel, but I have filled up at three different places and it hasn't gone away yet. After the truck is started, it blows blue smoke and idles rough, then straightens out, and it drives just FINE...all the power is there, etc. Then when I roll up on a stop light, it idles roughly again every so often...has been doing this for three days...what do you all think is the problem?
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 10:25 PM
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Hey Derek! Didn't you just get a new Superchip or Hypertech tuner? Have you loaded it yet? If so, did this problem start after? If so try unloading it and seeing what happens, also, maybe try unplugging the edge as well.
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 10:38 PM
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Hey Derek! Didn't you just get a new Superchip or Hypertech tuner? Have you loaded it yet? If so, did this problem start after? If so try unloading it and seeing what happens, also, maybe try unplugging the edge as well.
I just ordered a Diablo Sport Power Puck, but haven't loaded that on the truck yet...just the same setup I've been runnin for months...Edge on level 1 and that's it. The only new addition, well newEST is the Howes Cleaner...hoping that's not what is doing it. I just filled up and didn't add it in, so we'll see if that's it. I will also take the Edge off and see if that is causing it...if it IS...what am I to do with it? I would like to hope that a NEW product isn't messing with the truck...especially when I don't beat on it. How you been Tye?
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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Power puck, thats what it was. I couldn't remember exactly what it was.

I been doing good! I just ordered a pair of N-fabs last week for the truck, so I', anxiously waiting!

How have you and the misses been (Heather??) Tell her "hi" for me!
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 10:45 PM
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try changing your fuel filter
and check your oil level make sure it is not on the rise
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 53 ******
try changing your fuel filter
and check your oil level make sure it is not on the rise
You know what...I was thinking fuel filter because I still have the stock 10 micron on there...I will change that too...it's not really due yet (I was going to do it every 15K) but I will do it anyway, couldn't hurt anything and might help the problem. The main thing that pointed me in the direction of the filter was the fact that when you gave the throttle a push, everything was working ok, but every once in a while when idling, it just didn't run right. I think that it's cruddy that DC puts these trucks out with 10 microns in the first place...especially if they aren't capable of making the 15K intervals that they recommend...I'll give it ago. Not really worried about it, just gives me that sinking feeling, you know?

Oh yeah, and Tye, told Heather you said hello and she told me to let ya know she said it back at ya!
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 12:35 AM
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I just put a 5/2 micron in mine yesterday it has 9,00miles on..I wanted the better micron rating you should at least run the 7micron in yours.
link...https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...d.php?t=141363
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pull U 2
I found that I've been having to change mine a little earlier then the 15k mark sometimes so I've been doing it every other oil change. Makes it easy to remember when it's time to change it also, at least for me
Did you have the same problems that I am having? Rough idle and blue smoke at startup? PLEASE tell me so...it will take a HUGE load off my mind. I don't want to even THINK about injectors or lift pump failing on me already...the truck only has 12K on it
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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Don't know if you all remember the issue that I was having with my dealership over my towing package TSB and them trying to void my warranty because I installed my own brake controller or not...but I just thought I would call them to see what they would say and do over this whole blue smoke/rough idle thing and I got this fella on the phone that tried to tell me that "Smoking and rough idle are normal, you own a big, bad diesel for Heaven's sake but you can bring it in and we will do a diagnostic on it for you anyway. It's only $75!" and I flipped a lid on him...I asked to speak to the nearest Cummins technician and he proceeded to tell me that their diesel techs aren't "ALLOWED" to talk on the phone with customers ...so I asked for the manager and told her that my truck would NEVER come to their establishment again, EVER and that I am filing formal complaints to both DC and her GM...can't believe dealerships these days...it's more than ridiculous. Sorry, rant off.
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 06:14 PM
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Hey Derek! I found this bulletin in All-Data for ya!

NUMBER: 14-003-06 REV. A

GROUP: Vehicle Performance

DATE: Approval Pending

THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 14-003-06, DATED MAY 5, 2006, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES. THIS IS A COMPLETE REVISION AND NO ASTERISKS HAVE BEEN USED TO HIGHLIGHT REVISIONS.

SUBJECT:
Cummins Diesel Diagnostics

OVERVIEW:
This bulletin provides diagnostic procedures for the fuel injection system.

MODELS:

2003 - 2007 (DR/DH/D1/DC) Ram Truck (2500 / 3500)

NOTE :This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a 5.9L Cummins 24-valve diesel engine (sales code ETH or ETC).

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:

Revised diagnostic procedures are available for the following Symptom/Conditions:

^ White smoke and/or misfire after starting when the engine temperature is below 66°C (150°F).

^ Engine surges at idle

^ Engine sounds

^ Engine cranks for a long time or will not start.












SPECIAL TOOLS / EQUIPMENT REQUIRED:

DIAGNOSIS:

CAUTION o NOT disconnect the Electronic Fuel Control (EFC) actuator or the Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor while the engine is running. Damage to the rail pressure relief valve may occur.

POLICY:
Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.







TIME ALLOWANCE:

Usage of these labor operations must follow the guidelines outlined in the Global Warranty Administration Manual.

NOTE :The following diagnostic labor operations can only be used in conjunction with the main (prime) repair labor operation that corrected the condition.







FAILURE CODE:

Disclaimer :This bulletin is supplied as technical information only and is not an authorization for repair.
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 06:23 PM
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[QUOTE=Buckshotmckee;1475192]Hey Derek! I found this bulletin in All-Data for ya!

NUMBER: 14-003-06 REV. A

GROUP: Vehicle Performance

DATE: Approval Pending

So does this mean that I have to wait for them to be like "Ok...you're allowed to fix the problem now"...it describes what my truck is doing very closely...except I have more of a bluish smoke than white...thanks Tye
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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No! That bulletin was dated Dec 06 I believe. You need to take it in and have it checked IMHO. Take the edge off.
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckshotmckee
No! That bulletin was dated Dec 06 I believe. You need to take it in and have it checked IMHO. Take the edge off.
Oh man...now ya got me worried! .................................. That TSB doesn't sound like a good thing. I was really hoping that it was just a fuel filter thing. Edge will be coming off tomorrow afternoon, truck going in to the dealer Wednesday...gosh, this is twice in 2 weeks now
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 08:24 PM
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put the filter in first and see if it goes away..then take it in if that does not fix it
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