Injection Pump (VP-44) P0216 Code and Warranty Coverage Question
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Injection Pump (VP-44) P0216 Code and Warranty Coverage Question
Has anyone had a VP-44 injection pump replaced under warranty recently?
Mine started to stumble and hesitate under part throttle acceleration the other day. When I got the truck home, I keyed the ignition 3 times and got P1693 and P0216. I called the local dealer service rep. and he was almost sure it was the filter so I did the below troubleshooting.
I put the gauge on the system and it read 12 psi static, 11 psi idle, but when I took it on the road to test; the pressure dropped to a steady 7 psi idle and would drop proportionately with more throttle until it would drop below 5 psi easily. Took the truck home immeadiately and changed the filter.
The filter itself looked fine but I noticed very fine metalic particles in the bottom of the filter canister. They were nonferrous and a magnet would not pick them up. (this made me suspect the lift pump was crappng out) Installed new Fleet Guard fuel filter, primed system, and started up the engine. Fuel pressure still hovering around 7 psi.
I replaced the lift pump with a Cummins lift pump part# 4090046 (campaign lift pump). Started engine, fuel pressure was 15 psi static, 14 psi idle, and the lowest I could pull the fuel pressure down to was 9 psi on a slow roll start in 5th gear up to 3,000 rpm.
I shut the truck engine off and restarted 7 times. (my understanding is that the ECU will clear a code after 5 successful starts with no problems setting codes) After clicking on the ignition switch 3 times in a row; the P0216 code still appears. Others I have spoke with tell me that P0216 is a hard code that must be cleared with a code reader.
The engine runs fine with no drivability issues. I am taking the truck to the dealer to have them look at it since it is still under warranty. Aside from the Vulcan Big Line Kit and the Cummins eBrake, the truck is bone stock. Before I installed the Big Line Kit, I asked this dealer service rep. if the kit would void my warranty and they said no. Any thoughts on how the dealer will view this mod. now that the injection pump threw a code? (I have a good idea what but will be hoping for a positive outcome since I have taken good care of the truck and done all of the services myself and documented them in the owner's manual) I just turned over 50,000 miles and the warranty is supposedly good until September of 2007.
Can someone verify or correct me on my understanding of how codes are cleared from the ECU? Could be the system is fine now but the previous codes set must be reset or removed. How is this done? Thanks!
Mine started to stumble and hesitate under part throttle acceleration the other day. When I got the truck home, I keyed the ignition 3 times and got P1693 and P0216. I called the local dealer service rep. and he was almost sure it was the filter so I did the below troubleshooting.
I put the gauge on the system and it read 12 psi static, 11 psi idle, but when I took it on the road to test; the pressure dropped to a steady 7 psi idle and would drop proportionately with more throttle until it would drop below 5 psi easily. Took the truck home immeadiately and changed the filter.
The filter itself looked fine but I noticed very fine metalic particles in the bottom of the filter canister. They were nonferrous and a magnet would not pick them up. (this made me suspect the lift pump was crappng out) Installed new Fleet Guard fuel filter, primed system, and started up the engine. Fuel pressure still hovering around 7 psi.
I replaced the lift pump with a Cummins lift pump part# 4090046 (campaign lift pump). Started engine, fuel pressure was 15 psi static, 14 psi idle, and the lowest I could pull the fuel pressure down to was 9 psi on a slow roll start in 5th gear up to 3,000 rpm.
I shut the truck engine off and restarted 7 times. (my understanding is that the ECU will clear a code after 5 successful starts with no problems setting codes) After clicking on the ignition switch 3 times in a row; the P0216 code still appears. Others I have spoke with tell me that P0216 is a hard code that must be cleared with a code reader.
The engine runs fine with no drivability issues. I am taking the truck to the dealer to have them look at it since it is still under warranty. Aside from the Vulcan Big Line Kit and the Cummins eBrake, the truck is bone stock. Before I installed the Big Line Kit, I asked this dealer service rep. if the kit would void my warranty and they said no. Any thoughts on how the dealer will view this mod. now that the injection pump threw a code? (I have a good idea what but will be hoping for a positive outcome since I have taken good care of the truck and done all of the services myself and documented them in the owner's manual) I just turned over 50,000 miles and the warranty is supposedly good until September of 2007.
Can someone verify or correct me on my understanding of how codes are cleared from the ECU? Could be the system is fine now but the previous codes set must be reset or removed. How is this done? Thanks!
Disconnect the battery for a few minutes so the ECU can reset itself. Sometimes that will work. Anytime you do any work on one of these things you should automatically disconnect the battery while doing the job or at least for a few minutes. Besides the safety factor, there's the reset factor too. In fact, if you look at the instructions sheet of almost any mod I/you can think of, the first thing they tell you to do is to disconnect the battery....
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I noticed the battery terminals were getting a little corrosion so I disconnected both batteries to soak the cable ends in a baking soda solution and clean up the batteries. They must have been disconnected for at least an hour while I cleaned things up. I still got the P0216 code when I checked after reconnecting the batteries.
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Took the truck to the dealer this morning. I explained what the stumbling under part throttle acceleration and the troubleshooting I had done. Their diesel mechanic looked at it for about an 2 hours and told me that the pump would be replaced under warranty with a $100 copay on my part. Fair enough! He tested the new pump and filter I installed and told me that they could have installed the intake fuel pump system if my fuel pump had been bad. He also told me that he had tried to reset the P0216 code but it would reset each time he reset the code. I think I would rather live with the relocated Cummins lift pump and a fuel gauge. The mechanic seemed to like the Vulcan Big Line Kit since it made access to the lift pump and checking flow and pressure much easier. They were very professional and to the point. Told me the injector pump was on order and they would call me in a few days when the pump comes in to bring in my truck.
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It was my understanding the Dodge warranties the engine not Cummins and Dodge would not cover the warranty work done by a Cummins dealer unless Daimler Chrysler authorized the work in advance. I'll go back and re-read the warranty book. Thanks.
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I have to say, as much as that would make me mad that they are asking for a $100 copay if it didn't require one... I think in this case I would not say a word!
While yes, they told you that the big line kit and lift pump would not effect your warranty I was half expecting to get to the end of the story and find out they told you that it was not covered because of it. They probably could argue it and deny your warranty.
I, myself, would pay them the $100 and not say a word. Let us know what you decide and how it plays out.
While yes, they told you that the big line kit and lift pump would not effect your warranty I was half expecting to get to the end of the story and find out they told you that it was not covered because of it. They probably could argue it and deny your warranty.
I, myself, would pay them the $100 and not say a word. Let us know what you decide and how it plays out.
Dad had his replaced a 97k and tryed to pay a copay and they wouldnt take it. Why did he try to give them money? Because no copay, no warrenty pass the 100,000, with copay 1 year warrenty. It does make you mad that he's asking for it, when the rest don't.
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I have to say, as much as that would make me mad that they are asking for a $100 copay if it didn't require one... I think in this case I would not say a word!
While yes, they told you that the big line kit and lift pump would not effect your warranty I was half expecting to get to the end of the story and find out they told you that it was not covered because of it. They probably could argue it and deny your warranty.
I, myself, would pay them the $100 and not say a word. Let us know what you decide and how it plays out.
While yes, they told you that the big line kit and lift pump would not effect your warranty I was half expecting to get to the end of the story and find out they told you that it was not covered because of it. They probably could argue it and deny your warranty.
I, myself, would pay them the $100 and not say a word. Let us know what you decide and how it plays out.
Again, all I can say is the dealer service manager and mechanic have been nothing but professional and VERY reasonable.
I haven't done anything to void the warranty of the truck in my opinion but I agree, they could have denied warranty because of the big line kit if they wanted to cut and run.
I will definitely post a follow up to let you know how things go. It is indeed an unusual and refreshing surprise to find that there are folks out there that do the right thing.
In my experience with buying farm and compact tractors; 50% of the deal is how the dealer backs the equipment after the sale. I think they may have made me a future customer for when my wife's Taurus craps out.
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Just a follow up. I took the truck in Friday morning first thing about 07:00. The service manager turned my truck over to the mechanic who intern had the new pump installed by about 1:30 pm. They did a nice CLEAN and professional looking job on the install and again they were VERY straight forward and professional. The only thing I noticed and I think it is psycological is that the truck just does not seem to have as much pep but the fuel mileage seems to be about the same or maybe a little better. I am going to drive it for awhile and see how it performs. Cost me about $110.00 with the $100 deductible and tax out the door.
Ok guys the straight stuff. just had my VP replaced. Mine is a 2002 with 125,000 mi on it bone stock. The LP went out at 99,500 at the time I had no gauge on it. I asked the customer service rep who at that time authorized an in tank replacement under warranty what if my VP44 goes out later because of the LP failure? She said if it goes out call Chrysler at that time and they would help me. I thought yeah right! Well the time is now and my IP failed last week with 0216 code. I called customer service, told them my IP went out, they gave me a file number told me to go to my dealer and have it checked out. I did that. They authorized a new VP44 pump for me under warranty less $250.00 that I had to pay for a deductable. I am tickled pink!! I plan to send them a thank you note for their help. So if you have any questions maybe this will help. I am not sure why some pay nothing, some get by with paying $100.00 and I had to pay $250.00 it was called on my warranty invoice customer goodwill deductable. I am glad that my truck is back to normal, and with the new pump you get a 12 month 12,000 mi warranty.
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