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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 10:45 PM
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GVWR and GCWR

GVWR and GCWR for a 91.5?
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 02:36 PM
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GVWR is 8,510 for a W250.

Which gear?

GCVWR is 16k for 3.54, 17k for 4.10 with a 5 speed.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 06:10 PM
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if i switch to 4.10's will the rating go up or will it remain the same with the 3.54 rating.... also if gearing changes it can i do anything else to change it like disc conversion and airbags?
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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I think Dave answered your first question. The rating of the truck, as far as NY is concerned, will always be that of the tag inside the door. As for the second question, you can do anything you set your mind to. Where's Galway?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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Galway be west bout 20 min of Saratoga springs, and as far as the sticker on the inside of my door... its not there which is why im asking these questions in the first place.


and as for the second part of my question... i know i can change just about anything on the truck.... but will the GCVWR go up any. like can i go somewhere and have them reset it to something like 24,000ish like that of the new Super Duty's or will it always be the same. reason im asking is because i would like to tow some cars for auctions that someone has offered me, but a trailer and a few cars will put me over my limit on weight which im a little concerned about because the traveling will take me from here in new york down to sunny florida
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 08:44 AM
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Those ratings, kinda like Greg was alluding to, are determined by the manufacturer and affixed to a information plate or sticker to all new vehicles by law. So anyone with an interest in that sort of thing, like vendors of tires and trailers can act appropriately, and the troopers can write their tickets from an objective standpoint. The ratings are determined, Like Wanna said, through a combination of factors, the most important of which are gearing and transmission type. Oddly, the later trucks assign higher ratings to the automatics for a given gear ratio.

So the answer to your question is both yes "and" no. Since the sticker is gone, you will be held accountable for any negative traffic impacts (no pun intended) you may cause, without regard to the ratings, because without the official documentation, you are automatically assumed to be at fault. From a practical standpoint, of course taller gears will enable the truck to pull better.

As Clint Eastwood once said in a popular move: A man has got to know his limitations..."
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 10:44 AM
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From what I get, legally you are fine as long as you stay within the ratings of your tires. That is what the DOT will check. I haven't ever heard of them looking in the door. Now on the other hand, the GVWR may come in to play with insurance and such in the case of an accident.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 12:21 PM
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Yup, if push comes to shove, the DOT can take your VIN and find out what the true GVWR for your truck is. Do a search on hotshotting and legal limits in the tow/haul forum--lots of good information there. If you want to run truly legal, better limit yourself to a jetski on a snowmobile trailer. It all boils down to who's got you pulled over and what the phase of the moon is. If you're hauling for a friend, get the titles in your name for the haul. Now its private/not for hire and you'll cruise on through more easily.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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The creeper cops care more about the registration than the door sticker. As long as your truck/trailer combo is tagged for the weight you won't get any hassle. It's all about the revenue.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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There never was a GCWR on the door. The GVWR becomes irrevelent when pulling a trailer over 10,000 pounds. Like Wanna said, don't exceed the tire ratings and you will be ok.
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