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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:45 PM
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How many ponies?

OK...without a dyno...How many ponies will I have with this set up?...I need to start thinking about a clutch and need to be sure it'll hold. I was thinking around 400-480 hp to the ground. If this is the case, a 550 hp rated clutch would be enough.

TST powermax3 with competition download (180 hp gain), edge jammer 3's (100 hp gain), VanAaken (supposedly 60 hp max--timing box).

I am assuming these numbers are at the motor, not to the ground, and are theroetical, best case, under perfect conditions.

Waddya think?
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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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It should be over 400 hp if the clutch can hold it.
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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bfrog4211
OK...without a dyno...How many ponies will I have with this set up?...I need to start thinking about a clutch and need to be sure it'll hold. I was thinking around 400-480 hp to the ground. If this is the case, a 550 hp rated clutch would be enough.

TST powermax3 with competition download (180 hp gain), edge jammer 3's (100 hp gain), VanAaken (supposedly 60 hp max--timing box).

I am assuming these numbers are at the motor, not to the ground, and are theroetical, best case, under perfect conditions.

Waddya think?
Right around the 400hp mark, your at that point where a turbo upgrade would benifit you a lot.
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 12:20 AM
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I'll bet you wouldn't be over 380 HP without a turbo upgrade. If you ran a 62 series turbo, you could be well over 400 with that setup, maybe even 450 if your VP-44 is nearly new and fresh internally. If you want cheap power, you might as well get the Jammer 5 nozzles, Valair FE clutch, Holley Blue on stock harness with big line relocate kit, Used turbo as big as you can afford both in price and turbo lag. If you tow, you better not go over HTBG/ Super B/ S300 G 57-58 mm equivalent turbo. If you don't tow, you could get away with a 62/71 series turbo or bigger. Just depends on how much drivable power vs peak dyno power you want.
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 02:56 AM
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Is a VA and a TST gonna create gains of 200-250 rwhp? He says the sticks are on the to-do list. I'm gonna guess 350, unless I'm missing something else in his sig.
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 08:05 AM
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Is a VA and a TST gonna create gains of 200-250 rwhp? He says the sticks are on the to-do list. I'm gonna guess 350, unless I'm missing something else in his sig.
You haven't missed anything...I wanted to know where I would be with everyting installed. Including the sticks. I guess I'll need to find a dyno in the Spring/Houston area after everything is in. But I figured, to be on the safe side, a 500-550 hp clutch would be needed.
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bfrog4211
You haven't missed anything...I wanted to know where I would be with everyting installed. Including the sticks. I guess I'll need to find a dyno in the Spring/Houston area after everything is in. But I figured, to be on the safe side, a 500-550 hp clutch would be needed.
I did miss something, the fact that you wanted an estimate of the future combo, not the current one. My bad.
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bfrog4211
You haven't missed anything...I wanted to know where I would be with everyting installed. Including the sticks. I guess I'll need to find a dyno in the Spring/Houston area after everything is in. But I figured, to be on the safe side, a 500-550 hp clutch would be needed.
It should be enough to push the hx35 to its limits =P I think you're on the right track, too much clutch is almost always good to have. I bought the FE clutch and ended up trading it for a dual disk- either way better to have and not to need than to need and not to have =P
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bfrog4211
OK...without a dyno...How many ponies will I have with this set up?...I need to start thinking about a clutch and need to be sure it'll hold. I was thinking around 400-480 hp to the ground. If this is the case, a 550 hp rated clutch would be enough.

TST powermax3 with competition download (180 hp gain), edge jammer 3's (100 hp gain), VanAaken (supposedly 60 hp max--timing box).

I am assuming these numbers are at the motor, not to the ground, and are theroetical, best case, under perfect conditions.

Waddya think?
By my guessing, you'd be right around 450hp with a good turbo. With bigger/better injectors, 500 easy.

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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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430ish the way you are now... Better turbo 475ish, breaking 500 is going to need better/bigger sticks as hohn said
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 05:04 PM
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SWEET. I don't want to go too big...I'll think I'll be happy with that for now. Fuel prices the way they are, the HP bug isn't what I need to be getting.
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 08:30 PM
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sounds like it "the hp bug" already got ya... lol
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