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How is the Israeli army going after the PLO, Hezbollah, and Hamas even remotely the moral equivalent of Palestinians blowing themselves up on buses, in restaurants and shopping malls, and on university campuses? Look at the figures you just quoted on the dead Palestinians - mostly young males. Who's getting on buses in Israel wearing a bomb belt? It's not little old ladies. It seems to me that the Israelis are hitting legitmate targets a hell of a lot more often than the Palestinans are. The Palestinians can cry constantly about having more civillian casualties than the Israelis because all Palestinans are civillians, even the ones who are terrorists. If Achmed the Hamas leader makes Grandma's house his headquarters and the Israelis find out about it, chances are Achmed and his Grandma are going to die. Too bad about Grandma, cry me a river. Maybe Achmed should have located headquarters somewhere where innocent people wouldn't get hurt.
Now, why does the U.S. supporting Israel make Islamic terrorists mad at the U.S.? Because they hate the Jews and want to kill them all, that's why. So we should just remove our support from Israel and stand by while the Muslims kill the Jews?
That's not the only reason the Islamic fundamentalists hate us, either. A big part of it is because they think we are wicked. Remember that these are people who believe that God wants them to stone adultresses to death. What must they think when they see a rerun of "Friends"? To them we are infidels who must be destroyed, Israel is just a side issue for them.
Now, why does the U.S. supporting Israel make Islamic terrorists mad at the U.S.? Because they hate the Jews and want to kill them all, that's why. So we should just remove our support from Israel and stand by while the Muslims kill the Jews?
That's not the only reason the Islamic fundamentalists hate us, either. A big part of it is because they think we are wicked. Remember that these are people who believe that God wants them to stone adultresses to death. What must they think when they see a rerun of "Friends"? To them we are infidels who must be destroyed, Israel is just a side issue for them.
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Originally posted by jfpointer
As for Halliburton, well, they're a defense contractor. Who other than defense contractors would get defense contracts? Ben and Jerry's? I'm not sure they could handle the logistics. UPS could, FedEx could, maybe Wal-Mart, but they're not really in the defense marketplace. So no flames, just urging you to research some of this for yourself to find the truth.
As for Halliburton, well, they're a defense contractor. Who other than defense contractors would get defense contracts? Ben and Jerry's? I'm not sure they could handle the logistics. UPS could, FedEx could, maybe Wal-Mart, but they're not really in the defense marketplace. So no flames, just urging you to research some of this for yourself to find the truth.
i guess that Halliburton is the only defense contractor in the U.S.
that is the truth and i have done my research. now its time for you to do yours
it is a HUGE conflict of interest.
Originally posted by wannadiesel
Uh, hello? They have nukes. Yes, let's jump right into a shooting war with a wingnut 2nd generation commie dictator who has nukes. That would have been a brilliant move.
Uh, hello? They have nukes. Yes, let's jump right into a shooting war with a wingnut 2nd generation commie dictator who has nukes. That would have been a brilliant move.
well that’s what the president said about Iraq right. that they had weapons of mass destruction (which included chemical and biological). it didn't bother him to invade Iraq though.
Originally posted by wannadiesel
Do you see lots of terrorists coming from those areas to kill Americans? Let's concentrate on the region the terrorists come from.
Do you see lots of terrorists coming from those areas to kill Americans? Let's concentrate on the region the terrorists come from.
nope don't see a lot of terrorist coming from those places but since we haven't found any w.m.d's we have said that this is a war of freedom and liberation for the Iraqis people.
Originally posted by wannadiesel
Yep, it was all for the oil.
Yep, it was all for the oil.
yep you’re right. finally something you and i can agree on.
Originally posted by wannadiesel
Saddam tried to kill W's daddy. If Saddam had tried to kill Clinton or Carter I would support taking him out just for trying to kill a former U.S. president. I doubt that was a big factor, remember it was all for the oil.
Saddam tried to kill W's daddy. If Saddam had tried to kill Clinton or Carter I would support taking him out just for trying to kill a former U.S. president. I doubt that was a big factor, remember it was all for the oil.
let's see. Saddam had a price on Bush Senior's head. that would be justification for war for me.
Originally posted by wannadiesel
Let's take over the world one country at a time, please.
Let's take over the world one country at a time, please.
Lets start with a country that actually posed a threat to us.
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Let's start with a country that actually posed a threat to us.
Yes, let's start with Osama. You know the guy we started out to kill a couple of years ago. The guy who we trained in the 1980's to kill Russians. Let's complete that project before starting any other jobs.
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Originally posted by wannadiesel
How is the Israeli army going after the PLO, Hezbollah, and Hamas even remotely the moral equivalent of Palestinians blowing themselves up on buses, in restaurants and shopping malls, and on university campuses? Look at the figures you just quoted on the dead Palestinians - mostly young males. Who's getting on buses in Israel wearing a bomb belt? It's not little old ladies. It seems to me that the Israelis are hitting legitmate targets a hell of a lot more often than the Palestinans are. The Palestinians can cry constantly about having more civillian casualties than the Israelis because all Palestinans are civillians, even the ones who are terrorists. If Achmed the Hamas leader makes Grandma's house his headquarters and the Israelis find out about it, chances are Achmed and his Grandma are going to die. Too bad about Grandma, cry me a river. Maybe Achmed should have located headquarters somewhere where innocent people wouldn't get hurt.
Now, why does the U.S. supporting Israel make Islamic terrorists mad at the U.S.? Because they hate the Jews and want to kill them all, that's why. So we should just remove our support from Israel and stand by while the Muslims kill the Jews?
That's not the only reason the Islamic fundamentalists hate us, either. A big part of it is because they think we are wicked. Remember that these are people who believe that God wants them to stone adultresses to death. What must they think when they see a rerun of "Friends"? To them we are infidels who must be destroyed, Israel is just a side issue for them.
How is the Israeli army going after the PLO, Hezbollah, and Hamas even remotely the moral equivalent of Palestinians blowing themselves up on buses, in restaurants and shopping malls, and on university campuses? Look at the figures you just quoted on the dead Palestinians - mostly young males. Who's getting on buses in Israel wearing a bomb belt? It's not little old ladies. It seems to me that the Israelis are hitting legitmate targets a hell of a lot more often than the Palestinans are. The Palestinians can cry constantly about having more civillian casualties than the Israelis because all Palestinans are civillians, even the ones who are terrorists. If Achmed the Hamas leader makes Grandma's house his headquarters and the Israelis find out about it, chances are Achmed and his Grandma are going to die. Too bad about Grandma, cry me a river. Maybe Achmed should have located headquarters somewhere where innocent people wouldn't get hurt.
Now, why does the U.S. supporting Israel make Islamic terrorists mad at the U.S.? Because they hate the Jews and want to kill them all, that's why. So we should just remove our support from Israel and stand by while the Muslims kill the Jews?
That's not the only reason the Islamic fundamentalists hate us, either. A big part of it is because they think we are wicked. Remember that these are people who believe that God wants them to stone adultresses to death. What must they think when they see a rerun of "Friends"? To them we are infidels who must be destroyed, Israel is just a side issue for them.
wanna,
I agree with most of this. On the other hand I still have unanswered questions about the whole thing. The Israelis and the Palis are both at fault. Somewhere in there is the truth.
We give Israel 1/3 of our foreign aid. Holy Cow. Something stinks about that. How can a handfull of bad Palis require that kinda dough to deal with? Its out of control...that much money.....
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Originally posted by induchman
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Yes, let's start with Osama. You know the guy we started out to kill a couple of years ago. The guy who we trained in the 1980's to kill Russians. Let's complete that project before starting any other jobs.
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Yes, let's start with Osama. You know the guy we started out to kill a couple of years ago. The guy who we trained in the 1980's to kill Russians. Let's complete that project before starting any other jobs.
EXACTLY!!!!! well said!
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t-7 firefighter:
There were remnants of WMD (sarin) in a roadside bomb via an artillery round, as well as 2 mobile biological/chemical labs found in Iraq.
We did not forget about OBL. If you think so, we must have forgotten about September 11, 2001.
Since we've been in Iraq,
-Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq.
-Over 400,000 kids have up to date immunizations.
-Over 1500 schools have been renovated and ridded of the weapons that were stored there so education can occur.
-The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off loaded from ships faster.
-School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
-The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
-The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.
-100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to 35% before the war.
-Elections are taking place in every major city and city councils are in place-The country now has a new government to include a President, Prime Minister and 2 Vice-Presidents.
-Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
-Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
-Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
-Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers.
-Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
-Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs.
-An interim constitution has been signed.
-Girls are allowed to attend school for the first time ever in Iraq.
-Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years.
Any questions?
War is never an easy decision, sometimes it has to be done.
As for your reply to the previous post, we are capable of multi-tasking.
Back to the original post, There won't be a draft.
Mike
There were remnants of WMD (sarin) in a roadside bomb via an artillery round, as well as 2 mobile biological/chemical labs found in Iraq.
We did not forget about OBL. If you think so, we must have forgotten about September 11, 2001.
Since we've been in Iraq,
-Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq.
-Over 400,000 kids have up to date immunizations.
-Over 1500 schools have been renovated and ridded of the weapons that were stored there so education can occur.
-The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off loaded from ships faster.
-School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
-The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
-The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.
-100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to 35% before the war.
-Elections are taking place in every major city and city councils are in place-The country now has a new government to include a President, Prime Minister and 2 Vice-Presidents.
-Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
-Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
-Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
-Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers.
-Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
-Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs.
-An interim constitution has been signed.
-Girls are allowed to attend school for the first time ever in Iraq.
-Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years.
Any questions?
War is never an easy decision, sometimes it has to be done.
As for your reply to the previous post, we are capable of multi-tasking.
Back to the original post, There won't be a draft.
Mike
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Ok, I will put my two cents worth in, for all you liberal thinkers out there, exactly what would Kerry do if he is president to fix the problem in the middle east?
The way I see it we are fighting the war they brought to us through terrorism. We have two choices, either stay and fight, and fix the danger that lurks over there. Or pull all our troops out of ever country and have them defend our borders, no more aliens let into our country. We do all our own manufacturing and meet all our own needs.
No more loans to other countries, no more imports without high tarrifs. And if you want protection call on the UN, or France or Germany.
My wife and I worried for 8 long month last year while our son fought for the freedom of the Iraqi people, and against terrorist. Yes many nights of lost sleep and worry. 8 Month fighting day and night in Fallujuh, and after reading my sons journal, I am proud to be His father, proud to be an American, and hope American's are stronger in their reserve than the sissy that started this post.
Thanks, Michigan Steve
The way I see it we are fighting the war they brought to us through terrorism. We have two choices, either stay and fight, and fix the danger that lurks over there. Or pull all our troops out of ever country and have them defend our borders, no more aliens let into our country. We do all our own manufacturing and meet all our own needs.
No more loans to other countries, no more imports without high tarrifs. And if you want protection call on the UN, or France or Germany.
My wife and I worried for 8 long month last year while our son fought for the freedom of the Iraqi people, and against terrorist. Yes many nights of lost sleep and worry. 8 Month fighting day and night in Fallujuh, and after reading my sons journal, I am proud to be His father, proud to be an American, and hope American's are stronger in their reserve than the sissy that started this post.
Thanks, Michigan Steve
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in regard to my comment to the one who started the post, I am sorry, I mean the sissies that see this war as war over oil, and agree with sending thier kids away to avoid a draft.
My, appologies, Michigan Steve
My, appologies, Michigan Steve
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Originally posted by Marine
t-7 firefighter:
There were remnants of WMD (sarin) in a roadside bomb via an artillery round, as well as 2 mobile biological/chemical labs found in Iraq.
We did not forget about OBL. If you think so, we must have forgotten about September 11, 2001.
Since we've been in Iraq,
-Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq.
-Over 400,000 kids have up to date immunizations.
-Over 1500 schools have been renovated and ridded of the weapons that were stored there so education can occur.
-The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off loaded from ships faster.
-School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
-The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
-The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.
-100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to 35% before the war.
-Elections are taking place in every major city and city councils are in place-The country now has a new government to include a President, Prime Minister and 2 Vice-Presidents.
-Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
-Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
-Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
-Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers.
-Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
-Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs.
-An interim constitution has been signed.
-Girls are allowed to attend school for the first time ever in Iraq.
-Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years.
Any questions?
War is never an easy decision, sometimes it has to be done.
As for your reply to the previous post, we are capable of multi-tasking.
Mike
t-7 firefighter:
There were remnants of WMD (sarin) in a roadside bomb via an artillery round, as well as 2 mobile biological/chemical labs found in Iraq.
We did not forget about OBL. If you think so, we must have forgotten about September 11, 2001.
Since we've been in Iraq,
-Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq.
-Over 400,000 kids have up to date immunizations.
-Over 1500 schools have been renovated and ridded of the weapons that were stored there so education can occur.
-The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off loaded from ships faster.
-School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
-The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
-The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.
-100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to 35% before the war.
-Elections are taking place in every major city and city councils are in place-The country now has a new government to include a President, Prime Minister and 2 Vice-Presidents.
-Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
-Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
-Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
-Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers.
-Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
-Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs.
-An interim constitution has been signed.
-Girls are allowed to attend school for the first time ever in Iraq.
-Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years.
Any questions?
War is never an easy decision, sometimes it has to be done.
As for your reply to the previous post, we are capable of multi-tasking.
Mike
I never said we forgot about Osama. But that should have been the most important item on the agenda. It still should be the most important item. It’s not now. Iraq is.
Okay so we found remnants of saran in a roadside bomb. The only thing we found? Hardly an excuse to invade a country. Less than 50 miles from me right now is 1/3 of our country’s stockpile of VX gas. I guess someone should invade us. Now that’s W.M.D.
I think your missing my point. I know that the troops in Iraq have done an exceptional job. The military always does. I’m not saying that we haven't made any progress in Iraq. We have. But I promise you; it will be another Viet Nam. If not worse than Viet Nam. There were far more important targets that we should have taken care of than Iraq. Iraq posed no serious threat to us at the time we invaded. It was a perfect way to invade by using 9/11 as an excuse and that is inexcusable to me.
And yes I know we are capable of multi-tasking. But we have just stepped into some **** that we can’t wipe off though.
And please, once again, don’t misunderstand me. I fully support our troops that are over there right now. I don’t support the REASON they are over there.
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Originally posted by Michigan Steve
Ok, I will put my two cents worth in, for all you liberal thinkers out there, exactly what would Kerry do if he is president to fix the problem in the middle east?
The way I see it we are fighting the war they brought to us through terrorism. We have two choices, either stay and fight, and fix the danger that lurks over there. Or pull all our troops out of ever country and have them defend our borders, no more aliens let into our country. We do all our own manufacturing and meet all our own needs.
No more loans to other countries, no more imports without high tarrifs. And if you want protection call on the UN, or France or Germany.
My wife and I worried for 8 long month last year while our son fought for the freedom of the Iraqi people, and against terrorist. Yes many nights of lost sleep and worry. 8 Month fighting day and night in Fallujuh, and after reading my sons journal, I am proud to be His father, proud to be an American, and hope American's are stronger in their reserve than the sissy that started this post.
Thanks, Michigan Steve
Ok, I will put my two cents worth in, for all you liberal thinkers out there, exactly what would Kerry do if he is president to fix the problem in the middle east?
The way I see it we are fighting the war they brought to us through terrorism. We have two choices, either stay and fight, and fix the danger that lurks over there. Or pull all our troops out of ever country and have them defend our borders, no more aliens let into our country. We do all our own manufacturing and meet all our own needs.
No more loans to other countries, no more imports without high tarrifs. And if you want protection call on the UN, or France or Germany.
My wife and I worried for 8 long month last year while our son fought for the freedom of the Iraqi people, and against terrorist. Yes many nights of lost sleep and worry. 8 Month fighting day and night in Fallujuh, and after reading my sons journal, I am proud to be His father, proud to be an American, and hope American's are stronger in their reserve than the sissy that started this post.
Thanks, Michigan Steve
I can’t say it enough. IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK US. Osama BinLaden and his people did. Was Saddam happy that we were attacked. Yep he sure was. But so were a bunch of other countries. Why do you think we attacked Iraq first after Afghanistan? It was a perfect way to tie it into the 9/11 attacks and serve a personal agenda.
Michigan Steve,
I applaud your son and the fight that he is in. I have always said that I completely support our troops just not the reason. You should be proud of him.
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Marine,
Like firefighter said, our men and women both in and out of uinfnorm have achieved a great deal, they do excell, just as we knew they would. May God bless each and every one of them. BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT. NEITHER IS WHAT WHAT I OR ANY ONE OF US THINKS THE REASON WAS. What is important is that our leadership took us to war not because they wanted to bring all these good things to the people of Iraq, but for an entirely diferent reason. Had our President stood up and said to us that he wants to make all the things you listed, a reality for the people of Iraq, I may have supported him, (I do support the troops, including my son who is over there, with all I have) but not he gave us a whole different reason, and I dare say that I am not sure that all the good that was achieved is worth all the lives lost. Not to mention that if we were to just go into the world and do wounderfull things,I could find other countries and people who need it more and do not try to kill our soldiers in return.
Not only did our administration take us into an unnecessary war but they did so without proper planing and that is coming from the military leadership who is not afraid to say the truth. Do do that was uncoscionable AND IT COST LIVES. God will judge them for that.
Like firefighter said, our men and women both in and out of uinfnorm have achieved a great deal, they do excell, just as we knew they would. May God bless each and every one of them. BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT. NEITHER IS WHAT WHAT I OR ANY ONE OF US THINKS THE REASON WAS. What is important is that our leadership took us to war not because they wanted to bring all these good things to the people of Iraq, but for an entirely diferent reason. Had our President stood up and said to us that he wants to make all the things you listed, a reality for the people of Iraq, I may have supported him, (I do support the troops, including my son who is over there, with all I have) but not he gave us a whole different reason, and I dare say that I am not sure that all the good that was achieved is worth all the lives lost. Not to mention that if we were to just go into the world and do wounderfull things,I could find other countries and people who need it more and do not try to kill our soldiers in return.
Not only did our administration take us into an unnecessary war but they did so without proper planing and that is coming from the military leadership who is not afraid to say the truth. Do do that was uncoscionable AND IT COST LIVES. God will judge them for that.
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Markus you suprise me,that diesel of yours don't run on alpine snow melt
what pistol,bob and shovelhead said is right on. the losses we are seeing in iraq are very minor compared to ww2,korea, nam. the big difference is we have a bunch of crybaby liberals in this country and europe who don't want to fight for freedom. The reason this war is a wrong war in their view is because it is being waged with a republican president.war is always ugly but its got to be done.Just watch the media for the rest of the campaign and see how they treat hanoi john compared to our president . KICK THE MEDIA OUT OF IRAQ. DRILL FOR OIL IN THE US.Defeat the french looking hanoi john in november.
what pistol,bob and shovelhead said is right on. the losses we are seeing in iraq are very minor compared to ww2,korea, nam. the big difference is we have a bunch of crybaby liberals in this country and europe who don't want to fight for freedom. The reason this war is a wrong war in their view is because it is being waged with a republican president.war is always ugly but its got to be done.Just watch the media for the rest of the campaign and see how they treat hanoi john compared to our president . KICK THE MEDIA OUT OF IRAQ. DRILL FOR OIL IN THE US.Defeat the french looking hanoi john in november.
