Ah this post started about needing a draft to fulfill the needs of our military. So how could we have the troops to attack N. Korea, the Congo, Central America, Columbia, and all the other places that could be a threat? We don't have the resources to attack them all at the same time. You just have to start somewhere, and hopefully that will alert the others to get their act together. And if not, there time will come.
And I'm also pretty sure that we are still in Afghanistan. Just cause it doesn't get the air time that the war in Iraq does, doesn't mean we ain't there.

 

Our support of Israel will lead us down the road of many battles and conflicts. Good or bad. The root cause is that support.

No terror attacks would be happening here if it was not for that.

Don~

 

Marcus there is nothing personal here, there is mostly a different culture involved. I do understand the difference in feelings between the two continants but that does not cure the problem. Any mention of comparison of American tactics to the Hitler regime is fighting words to me. That is total idiotic BS. It deserves no response or respect. Anyone that can even concieve of comparing the two, needs to get a life. Yes I am that upset by it. On what record of facts can this be justified? It cannot. America does not have to prove it is acting correctly, try proving it is not.

You too firefighter, back up some of those statements. Prove it.

I'm finished here...

 

This reminds me of that Sammy Kershaw song " politics, religion and her" Talk about anything in this world, but those three things....

Don~

 

What would you do if these guys were about to invade our country? Run and hide? In fact that is just what they (terrorist) have done. They have been very successful at infiltrating our country and conducting terrorist acts. Now what? Do we hunt them down here or go to their country and weed them out? Also, why not go to their country and mess it up instead of messing up our country? Folks, if you're not willing to carry the fight to them, they will bring it to us. Just my .02 worth.

 

Uh, hello? They have nukes. Yes, let's jump right into a shooting war with a wingnut 2nd generation commie dictator who has nukes. That would have been a brilliant move.




Do you see lots of terrorists coming from those areas to kill Americans? Let's concentrate on the region the terrorists come from.



Yep, it was all for the oil.



Saddam tried to kill W's daddy. If Saddam had tried to kill Clinton or Carter I would support taking him out just for trying to kill a former U.S. president. I doubt that was a big factor, remember it was all for the oil.

Let's take over the world one country at a time, please.

 

Exactly! Why do you think Qadafi admitted that he's been trying to make a nuke? Why do you think N. Korea and Iran are letting inspectors in? Why do you think the Pakistanis are helping us look for Osama? It's not because we asked nicely, it's because they are worried they might be next. They saw our military take over an entire country in a matter of weeks and decided they didn't like their odds in a fight against us. Iraq was next after Afghanistan because there were plenty of reasons to go in (WMD's even the French thought he had, rape rooms, children's prisons, mass graves, etc.) and it was big enough to be worth invading.

 

You make me want to puke.

 

I see the Locks coming out soon.

 

Hauling: I am very sorry that you did not read what I wrogte before getting mad. I did not compare the US tactics to the one of Hitler- I compared the tone and style in the german press releases by the USA with the style used by Hitlers propaganda machine. Catch the difference?
I wouldn't even spit on somebody I believed to be intending on using Hitlers tactics and ideas.
So re-read what I wrote and what made you angry..

Same to wannadiesel

AlpineRAM

 

If it wernt Isreal they would use as another scapegoat, it would be us on the Christian Right.

Isreal is our only true friends in the Middle east and look at all the arm chair quarter backs who can solve the worlds Problems.
I made Seven six month deployments to the Gulf and not one was caused by the Jews. Anti semitism makes me want to hurl.
The land the Jews have they got when the Muslims attacked them in un prevoked wars, Now they should play nice and give it Back. To the Victors go the spoils of War. not the Losers.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

You people need to get your heads out of the sand.
Muslims will always hate people who have different faiths. and Guess what Bunky thats you too.

 

I never offered an opinion if it was right or wrong to support Israel. Just an observation. If we did not prop them up, the troubles we have would be less.

I never made a single anti semitic comment either. I should have said "The problems would be less".

I also think we are doing to the right thing to track the dirtbags down. Take the fight to them, however you would like to say it.


While on the subject: Do you think the Palis are just a bunch of freaks to kill themselves for a cause? Or could there be a reason for them to do this? This one sticks in my head from time to time. Why would someone do this. Are they all just born stupid? I dont think so. So, what? WTH makes a people pull this stunt? Religion? Could they actually have a legitimate complaint?

Don~

 

Religion is part of it. And yes, I think they do have a legitimate complaint, but with the rest of the "Arab world," not with Israel. The Israelis have bent over backwards to try to resolve things, but aside from providing weapons and money to attack Israel the Arab countries have done nothing to help the Palestinians.

 

I did. If those are your views, what I said before still goes. If you were merely trying to explain what Joe European is being fed by the media, thank you for your efforts.

On the draft I agree with you 100%. You can't expect a man to fight hard for something he doesn't believe is worth dying for. In the early stages of WWII the U.S. forces had terrible morale problems until Hollywood showed the government how to make good propaganda films. In the early stages of WWIII Hollywood brings us the propaganda film "Farenheit 911". It's a good thing our soldiers are volunteers.

 

Anyone else? Comments on the Palestinians?

I know that Isreal has killed over 3000 Palis in the last 4 years.

373 of them are kids under 15 years old.

324 were 16-18 years old

1400 were 19-29 years old

405 were 30-39 years old

179 were 40-49 years old

About 93 percent were male.

Israeli soldiers killed 89% of them and the rest were from Israeli citizens and police forces.

Thats enough dead people to make a bunch of terrorist and suicide bombers out of a large population. Of the 3000 or so, I bet most of them had family and friends that are not all too happy. They seem to have their World Trade Center going on too. Just a little slower day by day.

When the Israeli helicopters go into a refugee camp and start the shooting...followed by a group of tanks and bulldozers...thats enough to harden anyones heart that is living in that mess. If someone bulldozed my hood and a few of my neighbors died. I might get ****** too. Heck I might get downright stupid. Throw in some religion and normal thinking gets twisted.

I am willing to bet that many of the Pali terrorist and suicide bombers are born from the destruction and crap they see everyday in their own backyards/neighborhoods.

You gotta ask yourself, if you were in this situation...what would you do?

Here is some fast research on the monetary aid we provide to Israel:

The Israeli government is the largest recipient of US financial aid in the world, receiving over one-third of total US aid to foreign countries, even though Israel’s population comprises just .001% of the world’s population and has one the world’s higher per capita incomes.

Since 1949 the US has given Israel a total of $84,854,827,200. The interest costs born by US taxpayers on behalf of Israel are $49,937,000,000 – making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $134,791,507,200 (more than $134 billion).

The total cost of this financial aid to US tax payers per Israeli is $23,240


In 1997 alone, the total of US grants and loan guarantees to Israel was $5.5 billion, i.e., $15,068,493 per day

This has got to be part of the reason the terrorist are not happy with the US. At least part of how the terror groups get more followers. The support of Israel.

I dont have an opinion yet if we are doing the right or the wrong thing in giving this support.

Don~