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help me understand...
The US military doesn't have the facilities to transport equipment and supplies to the front, so they contract that work out to "halliburton" who has the equipment necessary...
What does halliburton do the rest of the time?? contract their services out to other countries?
(like, oh, say, Iraq who would like their equipment and supplies moved.... (kidding!!))
Seriously... Who is Halliburton??
The US military doesn't have the facilities to transport equipment and supplies to the front, so they contract that work out to "halliburton" who has the equipment necessary...
What does halliburton do the rest of the time?? contract their services out to other countries?
(like, oh, say, Iraq who would like their equipment and supplies moved.... (kidding!!))
Seriously... Who is Halliburton??
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From Halliburton's web site:
Founded in 1919, Halliburton is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the oil and gas industries. The Company adds value through the entire lifecycle of oil and gas reservoirs and provides and integrates products and services, starting with exploration and development, moving through production, operations, maintenance, conversion and refining, to infrastructure and abandonment. Halliburton employs more than 100,000 people in over 120 countries working in five major operating groups:
Halliburton's Energy Services Group consists of four business segments:
• Drilling and Formation Evaluation
• Fluids
• Production Optimization
• Landmark and Other Energy Services.
These segments offer a broad array of products and services to upstream oil and gas customers worldwide, ranging from the manufacturing of drill bits and other downhole and completion tools and pressure pumping services to subsea engineering.
The Engineering and Construction Group, known as Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), is Halliburton's fifth operating segment. It serves the energy industry by designing and building liquefied natural gas plants, refining and processing plants, production facilities and pipelines, both onshore and offshore. KBR's non-energy business meets the engineering and construction needs of governments and civil infrastructure customers. KBR also provides operations and maintenance for a wide variety of facilities.
Mike
Founded in 1919, Halliburton is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the oil and gas industries. The Company adds value through the entire lifecycle of oil and gas reservoirs and provides and integrates products and services, starting with exploration and development, moving through production, operations, maintenance, conversion and refining, to infrastructure and abandonment. Halliburton employs more than 100,000 people in over 120 countries working in five major operating groups:
Halliburton's Energy Services Group consists of four business segments:
• Drilling and Formation Evaluation
• Fluids
• Production Optimization
• Landmark and Other Energy Services.
These segments offer a broad array of products and services to upstream oil and gas customers worldwide, ranging from the manufacturing of drill bits and other downhole and completion tools and pressure pumping services to subsea engineering.
The Engineering and Construction Group, known as Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), is Halliburton's fifth operating segment. It serves the energy industry by designing and building liquefied natural gas plants, refining and processing plants, production facilities and pipelines, both onshore and offshore. KBR's non-energy business meets the engineering and construction needs of governments and civil infrastructure customers. KBR also provides operations and maintenance for a wide variety of facilities.
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I made the mistake to write some posts - and to try to clarify them further when the first intended piece of ironic quotation went unnoticed for what it was:
I think I didn't get the irony intended around too well when I wrote this:
Since the european citizen thinks that the criminal investigation has failed miserably in Iraq,(contrary to the announcements of WMD, anybody remember that as the major cause of going to .................................................. ........................nd, the start of WW2.
That's why European citizens have problems believing the USA.
To make it stand out without being misunderstood as easily: That text is a summary of ironically quoted points of view from left or liberal magazines sold in Europe.
Fun thing is that I get opposition from Americans against that. That I don't know about true causes etc.
I think that all the protests against my posts simply show that the ones protesting them did not take the time to read them.
I got private messages from folks declaring that god an applepie Bush rural america is vastly superior to Europe. That I am a socialist, that I am silly, misinformed, how my truck would drive on melting mountain snow instead of diesel etc etc
It's great fun to see what is made out of some texts by some folks. I think I could pick out some parts out of anybody's posts and "prove" him to be whatever you like him to be if I did my reading as lazy (or as selective) as these folks.
I do hope that I did not step on too many toes now.
AlpineRAM
I think I didn't get the irony intended around too well when I wrote this:
Since the european citizen thinks that the criminal investigation has failed miserably in Iraq,(contrary to the announcements of WMD, anybody remember that as the major cause of going to .................................................. ........................nd, the start of WW2.
That's why European citizens have problems believing the USA.
To make it stand out without being misunderstood as easily: That text is a summary of ironically quoted points of view from left or liberal magazines sold in Europe.
I think that all the protests against my posts simply show that the ones protesting them did not take the time to read them.
I got private messages from folks declaring that god an applepie Bush rural america is vastly superior to Europe. That I am a socialist, that I am silly, misinformed, how my truck would drive on melting mountain snow instead of diesel etc etc
It's great fun to see what is made out of some texts by some folks. I think I could pick out some parts out of anybody's posts and "prove" him to be whatever you like him to be if I did my reading as lazy (or as selective) as these folks.
I do hope that I did not step on too many toes now.
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Originally posted by AlpineRAM
I made the mistake to write some posts - and to try to clarify them further when the first intended piece of ironic quotation went unnoticed for what it was:
Fun thing is that I get opposition from Americans against that. That I don't know about true causes etc.
I think that all the protests against my posts simply show that the ones protesting them did not take the time to read them.
I got private messages from folks declaring that god an applepie Bush rural america is vastly superior to Europe. That I am a socialist, that I am silly, misinformed, etc.
It's great fun to see what is made out of some texts by some folks. I think I could pick out some parts out of anybody's posts and "prove" him to be whatever you like him to be if I did my reading as lazy (or as selective) as these folks.
I do hope that I did not step on too many toes now.
AlpineRAM
I made the mistake to write some posts - and to try to clarify them further when the first intended piece of ironic quotation went unnoticed for what it was:
Fun thing is that I get opposition from Americans against that. That I don't know about true causes etc.
I think that all the protests against my posts simply show that the ones protesting them did not take the time to read them.
I got private messages from folks declaring that god an applepie Bush rural america is vastly superior to Europe. That I am a socialist, that I am silly, misinformed, etc.
It's great fun to see what is made out of some texts by some folks. I think I could pick out some parts out of anybody's posts and "prove" him to be whatever you like him to be if I did my reading as lazy (or as selective) as these folks.
I do hope that I did not step on too many toes now.
AlpineRAM
Some where in the middle of all this is the truth. It doesn't serve any ones purpose to have the real truth known (whatever that may be) as a result you see the war diffrently than they do and I see the war diffrently than you and the americans. The American government wants the american public to support the war, so they publish the information that will assist in supporting the governments position. Who can blame them?? They need their population to support this and send their sons off with all the moral support possible, or like you alluded to in one of your posts, the US military would be a use less machine if the will and conviction is not there to fight.
You have to understand, american patritism can be quite breathtaking at times, recently I was down south of Seattle, coming back on I5 around Fort ??? There was a bunch of people on an overpass waving american flags, hooting, hollering etc. American flags are on everything down there... That is just plain strange from where I'm sitting (diffrent strange, NOT crazy strange) It's how they keep the machine motivated. It certainly seams to work...
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westcoaster: I know that I am different from an american. I offered a digest of what the european press has to say about the war and america in general. I think I stated this as clear as I could. And I stated my opinion on the style it is conveyed by the translators.
I did not intend to attack america. I admitted that my opinion on the war is different than the opinion of the conservative wing of the american population.
What really amazes me is the fanatizism that makes lots of people feel attacked by the mere existance of people thinking differently.
I am still keeping on my point that the downside of a draft system is that if the soldiers aren't motivated towards the goal of the war they'll be less than efficient.
The positive side of a draft system is that it's much more difficult for a government to abuse the military for actions that are not backed up by the majority of the population.
AlpineRAM
I did not intend to attack america. I admitted that my opinion on the war is different than the opinion of the conservative wing of the american population.
What really amazes me is the fanatizism that makes lots of people feel attacked by the mere existance of people thinking differently.
I am still keeping on my point that the downside of a draft system is that if the soldiers aren't motivated towards the goal of the war they'll be less than efficient.
The positive side of a draft system is that it's much more difficult for a government to abuse the military for actions that are not backed up by the majority of the population.
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Originally posted by AlpineRAM
I made the mistake to write some posts - and to try to clarify them further when the first intended piece of ironic quotation went unnoticed for what it was:
Fun thing is that I get opposition from Americans against that. That I don't know about true causes etc.
I think that all the protests against my posts simply show that the ones protesting them did not take the time to read them.
I got private messages from folks declaring that god an applepie Bush rural america is vastly superior to Europe. That I am a socialist, that I am silly, misinformed, how my truck would drive on melting mountain snow instead of diesel etc etc
It's great fun to see what is made out of some texts by some folks. I think I could pick out some parts out of anybody's posts and "prove" him to be whatever you like him to be if I did my reading as lazy (or as selective) as these folks.
I do hope that I did not step on too many toes now.
AlpineRAM
I made the mistake to write some posts - and to try to clarify them further when the first intended piece of ironic quotation went unnoticed for what it was:
Fun thing is that I get opposition from Americans against that. That I don't know about true causes etc.
I think that all the protests against my posts simply show that the ones protesting them did not take the time to read them.
I got private messages from folks declaring that god an applepie Bush rural america is vastly superior to Europe. That I am a socialist, that I am silly, misinformed, how my truck would drive on melting mountain snow instead of diesel etc etc
It's great fun to see what is made out of some texts by some folks. I think I could pick out some parts out of anybody's posts and "prove" him to be whatever you like him to be if I did my reading as lazy (or as selective) as these folks.
I do hope that I did not step on too many toes now.
AlpineRAM
ORIGINAL POST FROM ALPINE:
In our society the acts of terrorists are seen as crimes and the anti-terror activity is traditionally one of the duties of the police and other members of the executive body. America's 9/11 would have been considered an organized crime of mass murder, where it's necessary to find the ones behind it. (The criminals doing the crime having died in the crashes themselves, but seeking the structure etc) The military of Austria exists strictly for self defense and is only allowed to leave Austria on UN missions. (Sanctioned by the founding documents of the republic, where the USA have pressed for the paragraphs that say what I quoted now)
That's a cause why the American invasion of Iraq isn't being seen too positively over here since the picture is too much on the military side for us. The stuff that has been shown as "proof" for the crimes of Iraq, the "proof" of the connections to the crimes of terrorism 9/11 is nowhere near what a european citizen would demand from his own government to be shown.
Since the european citizen thinks that the criminal investigation has failed miserably in Iraq,(contrary to the announcements of WMD, anybody remember that as the major cause of going to this war), the alleged connections to the criminals of 9/11 much weaker than what's indicated by some other facts against other countries (who have too much ready oil to sell, and who are allied to the USA that can't do to them what they did to Iraq simply because it's the main source for oil), all this paints the picture of a big nation being hungry for more and more, defending it's interests abroad, and pretending high moralic motives as a reason for it. And quoting self defense. "Seit 5:45 wird zurückgeschossen"- Famous speech in the radio by guess whom- Adolf Hitler at the start of the attack against Poland, the start of WW2.
That's why European citizens have problems believing the USA.
Donning the asbestos undies now
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Conveniently leaving out the other posts where I tried to clarify.
Part of my next post:
Hauling:
I think I didn't get the irony intended around too well when I wrote this:
Since the european citizen thinks that the criminal investigation has failed miserably in Iraq,(contrary to the announcements of WMD, anybody remember that as the major c................................................. ....t the start of the attack against Poland, the start of WW2.
That's why European citizens have problems believing the USA.
(cut out for size), (bold face entered now to increase legibility)
To make it stand out without being misunderstood as easily: That text is a summary of ironically quoted points of view from left or liberal magazines sold in Europe.
And in the same tone from then on- conveniently chosen to ignore.
I do apologise for the part of the post hHauling quoted partially, because it is not clear enough.
AlpineRAM
Part of my next post:
Hauling:
I think I didn't get the irony intended around too well when I wrote this:
Since the european citizen thinks that the criminal investigation has failed miserably in Iraq,(contrary to the announcements of WMD, anybody remember that as the major c................................................. ....t the start of the attack against Poland, the start of WW2.
That's why European citizens have problems believing the USA.
(cut out for size), (bold face entered now to increase legibility)
To make it stand out without being misunderstood as easily: That text is a summary of ironically quoted points of view from left or liberal magazines sold in Europe.
And in the same tone from then on- conveniently chosen to ignore.
I do apologise for the part of the post hHauling quoted partially, because it is not clear enough.
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Originally posted by Haulin_in_Dixie
Maybe you need to wake up and smell the roses. Seems like someone else thought that way... lets see now, oh yeah, Hitler. Possibly you should look at the history you try to quote. The UN gave the partitioned section of land to the new country of Israel in 1948. They are the owners. The Palestinians left and refused their sovereign portion of Palestine. See they don't want a portion of land for themselves, they want the Jew dead and gone.
You may have a point there though, suck up to the terrorists and maybe they will pass over you when thy get here. You like them that well, go over there and join them. At least you are a minority...
Maybe you need to wake up and smell the roses. Seems like someone else thought that way... lets see now, oh yeah, Hitler. Possibly you should look at the history you try to quote. The UN gave the partitioned section of land to the new country of Israel in 1948. They are the owners. The Palestinians left and refused their sovereign portion of Palestine. See they don't want a portion of land for themselves, they want the Jew dead and gone.
You may have a point there though, suck up to the terrorists and maybe they will pass over you when thy get here. You like them that well, go over there and join them. At least you are a minority...
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Originally posted by induchman
Yeah it upsets me. While I was sweatting on a C130 ramp in DaNang, my best friend was sitting on Yonge Street having a cool one. We've buried our differences and are still friends. I can now see his point of view much clearer now.
Everyone, has a right to do whatever they want. Says so right in the US Constitution. Can't remember the last time anyone was prosecuted for not showing up for the draft. Can you?
Yeah it upsets me. While I was sweatting on a C130 ramp in DaNang, my best friend was sitting on Yonge Street having a cool one. We've buried our differences and are still friends. I can now see his point of view much clearer now.
Everyone, has a right to do whatever they want. Says so right in the US Constitution. Can't remember the last time anyone was prosecuted for not showing up for the draft. Can you?
Was curious, thought I would ask.
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rvn: it does not matter what we do they hate us because we are infidels period i know some people think that can't be true they have to have a reason to hate us, they do but it has nothing to do with what we do.i am sure this is not what the Clinton News Network wants you to belive or anyone else in the liberal media.don't belive what they say.This is about politics for them defeating "W" in november 
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Originally posted by Marine
Good discussion.
After 13 June, you won't hear from me for awhile. I'm being activated for 1 year.
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Good discussion.
After 13 June, you won't hear from me for awhile. I'm being activated for 1 year.
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Semper Fi Marine!
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Originally posted by rvnagain
I don't recommend sucking up to the terrorist, eliminate them. But we need to look into why all these people hate the usa so much. Is due to our aid, and help we have given them? I think not. As for Hitler tactics how is Israel treating the palestines? I saw on cnn a few years back where the Israel army buried alive 4 men. They do want there land back, and for them if it means killing the jews so be it. I just don't understand our support for Israel.
I don't recommend sucking up to the terrorist, eliminate them. But we need to look into why all these people hate the usa so much. Is due to our aid, and help we have given them? I think not. As for Hitler tactics how is Israel treating the palestines? I saw on cnn a few years back where the Israel army buried alive 4 men. They do want there land back, and for them if it means killing the jews so be it. I just don't understand our support for Israel.
Would that have cured the problem that they are in now?
Mike
PS- I appreciate it RamlovingVet
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As for Halliburton, well, they're a defense contractor. Who other than defense contractors would get defense contracts? Ben and Jerry's? I'm not sure they could handle the logistics. UPS could, FedEx could, maybe Wal-Mart, but they're not really in the defense marketplace. So no flames, just urging you to research some of this for yourself to find the truth. [/B][/QUOTE]
They do defense logistics, the war requires that, so they get contracts....
From Halliburton's web site:
Founded in 1919, Halliburton is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the oil and gas industries. The Company adds value through the entire lifecycle of oil and gas reservoirs and provides and integrates products and services, starting with exploration and development, moving through production, operations, maintenance, conversion and refining, to infrastructure and abandonment. Halliburton employs more than 100,000 people in over 120 countries working in five major operating groups:
Halliburton's Energy Services Group consists of four business segments:
• Drilling and Formation Evaluation
• Fluids
• Production Optimization
• Landmark and Other Energy Services.
These segments offer a broad array of products and services to upstream oil and gas customers worldwide, ranging from the manufacturing of drill bits and other downhole and completion tools and pressure pumping services to subsea engineering.
The Engineering and Construction Group, known as Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), is Halliburton's fifth operating segment. It serves the energy industry by designing and building liquefied natural gas plants, refining and processing plants, production facilities and pipelines, both onshore and offshore. KBR's non-energy business meets the engineering and construction needs of governments and civil infrastructure customers. KBR also provides operations and maintenance for a wide variety of facilities.
So which is it? One thing for shure is that they are riping off the military by overcharging for fuel.
They do defense logistics, the war requires that, so they get contracts....
From Halliburton's web site:
Founded in 1919, Halliburton is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the oil and gas industries. The Company adds value through the entire lifecycle of oil and gas reservoirs and provides and integrates products and services, starting with exploration and development, moving through production, operations, maintenance, conversion and refining, to infrastructure and abandonment. Halliburton employs more than 100,000 people in over 120 countries working in five major operating groups:
Halliburton's Energy Services Group consists of four business segments:
• Drilling and Formation Evaluation
• Fluids
• Production Optimization
• Landmark and Other Energy Services.
These segments offer a broad array of products and services to upstream oil and gas customers worldwide, ranging from the manufacturing of drill bits and other downhole and completion tools and pressure pumping services to subsea engineering.
The Engineering and Construction Group, known as Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), is Halliburton's fifth operating segment. It serves the energy industry by designing and building liquefied natural gas plants, refining and processing plants, production facilities and pipelines, both onshore and offshore. KBR's non-energy business meets the engineering and construction needs of governments and civil infrastructure customers. KBR also provides operations and maintenance for a wide variety of facilities.
So which is it? One thing for shure is that they are riping off the military by overcharging for fuel.
