There goes the credibility of ASE
01-31-2008, 01:03 PM
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There goes the credibility of ASE
I remember when ASE certification used to mean something...
Apparently, the ASE is now just another political hack organization.
Evidence? The headline reads: "Mechanics veto extending oil changes"
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That's right, friends. The trusty ASE wants us to believe that a modern API-spec SM oil is really no better than an SF oil from 1981. Of course, not only that-- but a modern fuel injected engine is no cleaner than a carbureted engine, and production tolerances haven't improved since the 1980s. So, in a nutshell, the oil change interval that was recommended then --when engines were much lower quality, filtration was much lower quality, and oil was much less capable-- is still perfectly valid to the ASE
Now, we just happen to be open-minded adults that recognize that the ASE is hardly a disinterested party on this matter. In fact, it's much like asking the foxes for a recommended henhouse security policy. Oil changes are the most commonly occuring maintenance item for any vehicle, and are therefore a major source of potential revenue for any vehicle maintenance or repair business.
Gee, I wonder if the UAW thinks that American auto companies should use union labor or non-union labor?
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http://www.vioc.com/pages/carcare/mechanics.asp
Apparently, the ASE is now just another political hack organization.
Evidence? The headline reads: "Mechanics veto extending oil changes"
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Sixty percent of the ASE certified master technicians said the oil should be changed at 3,000 miles - the longtime, recommended standard. Only 29 percent said between 3,000-5,000 miles is okay. Acceptability of 5,000 to 10,000 miles before an oil change is virtually non-existent at two percent.
That's right, friends. The trusty ASE wants us to believe that a modern API-spec SM oil is really no better than an SF oil from 1981. Of course, not only that-- but a modern fuel injected engine is no cleaner than a carbureted engine, and production tolerances haven't improved since the 1980s. So, in a nutshell, the oil change interval that was recommended then --when engines were much lower quality, filtration was much lower quality, and oil was much less capable-- is still perfectly valid to the ASE
Now, we just happen to be open-minded adults that recognize that the ASE is hardly a disinterested party on this matter. In fact, it's much like asking the foxes for a recommended henhouse security policy. Oil changes are the most commonly occuring maintenance item for any vehicle, and are therefore a major source of potential revenue for any vehicle maintenance or repair business.
Gee, I wonder if the UAW thinks that American auto companies should use union labor or non-union labor?
Full article:
http://www.vioc.com/pages/carcare/mechanics.asp
01-31-2008, 04:04 PM
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Of course not. I'm not faulting their desire to stay employed.
I'm faulting there patent dishonesty in advocating the 3K oci because of it. I'm also faulting their abuse of the heretofore respected ASE Master Tech certification.
JMO
I'm faulting there patent dishonesty in advocating the 3K oci because of it. I'm also faulting their abuse of the heretofore respected ASE Master Tech certification.
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01-31-2008, 04:15 PM
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If you think about it, backing the longer oil changes could impact the auto service sector in a positive way. Besides how many ASE mechanics work at Jiffy Lube?
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Simple, if the manufacture states in the owners manual the required service for oil change and ASE says otherwise, who you going to believe? Adds to credibility. If go into a garage and an ASE mech. says you should change your oil at 3,000 miles because that's the "party" line, you'll probably loose business.
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02-01-2008, 09:41 AM
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Hohn, I am glad you brought that to our attention. Thats just an abuse of a recognized certification and I am disgusted. I don't know of many technitions who do oil changes anyway, hardly an ASE certified task. I just see it as another way to slip out from the warranty window.
02-01-2008, 10:02 AM
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I will add that a car burning E85 fuel needs its oil change every 3,000 miles per the manufacturers requirements as the oil will be as black as what comes out of my 06 diesel engine.
02-01-2008, 12:02 PM
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Last time I remember ASE meaning what it should was back when there were 2 forms of life in the bays - the service manager and the mechanics (I don't count the other shop floor denizens, since they just swept up and fetched tools! ).
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02-01-2008, 03:44 PM
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I remember when ASE certification used to mean something...
Apparently, the ASE is now just another political hack organization.
Evidence? The headline reads: "Mechanics veto extending oil changes"
Relevant excerpt:
That's right, friends. The trusty ASE wants us to believe that a modern API-spec SM oil is really no better than an SF oil from 1981. Of course, not only that-- but a modern fuel injected engine is no cleaner than a carbureted engine, and production tolerances haven't improved since the 1980s. So, in a nutshell, the oil change interval that was recommended then --when engines were much lower quality, filtration was much lower quality, and oil was much less capable-- is still perfectly valid to the ASE
Now, we just happen to be open-minded adults that recognize that the ASE is hardly a disinterested party on this matter. In fact, it's much like asking the foxes for a recommended henhouse security policy. Oil changes are the most commonly occuring maintenance item for any vehicle, and are therefore a major source of potential revenue for any vehicle maintenance or repair business.
Gee, I wonder if the UAW thinks that American auto companies should use union labor or non-union labor?
Full article:
http://www.vioc.com/pages/carcare/mechanics.asp
Apparently, the ASE is now just another political hack organization.
Evidence? The headline reads: "Mechanics veto extending oil changes"
Relevant excerpt:
That's right, friends. The trusty ASE wants us to believe that a modern API-spec SM oil is really no better than an SF oil from 1981. Of course, not only that-- but a modern fuel injected engine is no cleaner than a carbureted engine, and production tolerances haven't improved since the 1980s. So, in a nutshell, the oil change interval that was recommended then --when engines were much lower quality, filtration was much lower quality, and oil was much less capable-- is still perfectly valid to the ASE
Now, we just happen to be open-minded adults that recognize that the ASE is hardly a disinterested party on this matter. In fact, it's much like asking the foxes for a recommended henhouse security policy. Oil changes are the most commonly occuring maintenance item for any vehicle, and are therefore a major source of potential revenue for any vehicle maintenance or repair business.
Gee, I wonder if the UAW thinks that American auto companies should use union labor or non-union labor?
Full article:
http://www.vioc.com/pages/carcare/mechanics.asp
I have to disagree. The oil today has been reduced in it's lubricity capability. Emissions requirements have taken their toll. A fuel injected engine is no cleaner than a carburated engine if both are correctly functioning. I'll give you the tolerances and materials science aspects to varying degrees. Just as it was in the 1980's you could go 6000 miles between oil changes on most all stock vehicles.
I have never owned a service center and have never been a paid mechanic in case you were wondering.
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02-01-2008, 04:35 PM
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This (ASE`s position) is coming from an organization that still uses illustrations from a 1967 GM service manual in their tests,lol. FWIW my wifes Chevy`s oil chg monitor usually runs to about 7K before it starts blinking, one of the reasons that thing get Mobil One...but I digress... while 5K intervals are becoming more the norm, some vehicles NEED lower a OCI (ever see the innards of a Yota 4cyl thats been fed a diet of 5K OCI`s?...ugghhh).
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As an ASE Master Tech I can tell you that they really dont mean much. I can also say that 3 months 3K miles between oil changes doesnt mean much anymore either. Almost every manufacture out there now does built in oil change interval lights. My 03 Trailblazer does, all the BMW I work on do and have since the 1980's. This light comes on based on (vehicle dependent), oil flow, engine determined use of oil, and mileage. And a few things that I am sure I am forgetting. The only time I do oil changes is when its part of a larger ticket.
As to oil change intervals I wouldnt recommend longer oil change intervals till you test the oil for the engine. Each one is built slightly different with different tolerances so its wise to just check how well that oil is doing in your engine. I did with my jetta and it showed I was doing fine at 15K intervals on oil changes.
As to oil change intervals I wouldnt recommend longer oil change intervals till you test the oil for the engine. Each one is built slightly different with different tolerances so its wise to just check how well that oil is doing in your engine. I did with my jetta and it showed I was doing fine at 15K intervals on oil changes.