tank dipped today
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Even if you blend your own biodiesel, you're technically not required to pay any road tax on it until you are using b100. This is because there are no road taxes due on 'fuel additives' , however there are on 'neat fuels'. Unless you're using bio as a complete replacement(neat) fuel, you can consider it a fuel additive for lubricity. You don't pay road taxes on a bottle of powerservice or a bottle of canola oil that you might dump in your tank, so there is no difference.
As far as in bed aux tanks - they are not exempt from dipping or the law, and if you do get found having red fuel, they will fine you based on your total overall gallons including the aux tank. As some have said, the cost savings in the long run of running red fuel is just not enough to justify the risk.
That is definitely news to me about the medical card requirement. I have a medical benefits card from my employer, does that count?
As far as in bed aux tanks - they are not exempt from dipping or the law, and if you do get found having red fuel, they will fine you based on your total overall gallons including the aux tank. As some have said, the cost savings in the long run of running red fuel is just not enough to justify the risk.
That is definitely news to me about the medical card requirement. I have a medical benefits card from my employer, does that count?
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Originally posted by induchman
If you've read some of my previous posts about the red-dye experiences, it's a common occurance in MT
If you've read some of my previous posts about the red-dye experiences, it's a common occurance in MT
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Originally posted by Lightman
Even if you blend your own biodiesel, you're technically not required to pay any road tax on it until you are using b100.
Even if you blend your own biodiesel, you're technically not required to pay any road tax on it until you are using b100.
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BoostdCTD, I guess it depends if you want to consider it fuel or fuel additives. As you mentioned, there is no way they can really know how much bio you've brewed or burned... If I went through the effort of making homebrew, I probably wouldn't pay tax on it. Consider the societal impact and benefit of recycling oil, not adding to foreign oil consumption, reducing environmental emissions...I dunno. I've never made it, but have purchased 4040 gals now of commercially sold and taxed b100. The price is absurd these days.
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BoostdCTD, I guess it depends if you want to consider it fuel or fuel additives. As you mentioned, there is no way they can really know how much bio you've brewed or burned... If I went through the effort of making homebrew, I probably wouldn't pay tax on it. Consider the societal impact and benefit of recycling oil, not adding to foreign oil consumption, reducing environmental emissions...I dunno, it doesn't seem like the government needs to be paid for our usage. I've never made it, but have purchased 4040 gals now of commercially sold and taxed b100. The price is absurd these days.
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All I'm saying different is that the state says that is ok if you don't pay taxes on it as long as less than 400gallons were used. I doubt many people are out there with WVO trying to claim taxes, the few I've heard basically were told not to bother them with those questions.
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This has been a **** of a thread, but I have a cure for all the problems. Most larger trucking companies have accounts set up with the national chains for there trucks to fuel up using a fuel card. In doing this these companies receive huge discounts, some with as much as 35% off pump price. This is based on volume purchase. So all we need to do is follow the farmers example and COOP on this site. Setup our own fuel card system for members of this site and then pay your fuel bill through the COOP every month, a small interest fee on that would even help fund the site. There everybody is happy. I'v done the hard part of coming up with the idea, now somebody else take over for the easy stuff and figure out how to put it together.
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From: Mt. Kapecapek
Originally posted by induchman
If you've read some of my previous posts about the red-dye experiences, it's a common occurance in MT. Practically all vehicles at rodeos, sales events, auctions are dipped, without the owners knowledge. Even outta staters have no reason for privacy. If you have a lock on the aux tank (like I do), they wait for you and follow you until they can stop you legally on the street. Otherwise, they need to have someone turn you in.
If you've read some of my previous posts about the red-dye experiences, it's a common occurance in MT. Practically all vehicles at rodeos, sales events, auctions are dipped, without the owners knowledge. Even outta staters have no reason for privacy. If you have a lock on the aux tank (like I do), they wait for you and follow you until they can stop you legally on the street. Otherwise, they need to have someone turn you in.
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Originally posted by RacerX1170
Well, at least with a blood alcohol test they have probable cause... i.e., they suspect you have been drinking, and the test is simply to confirm it. Stopping private citizens in their personal pickup trucks for no reason other than to dip their tanks with no prior suspicion of wrong-doing is invasive, and a breach of personal freedoms in my opinion.
One poster mentioned that in his area if they stop you it is because someone at the station saw you pumping it and reported you. That is a bit different, and carries with it the same suspicion of wrong-doing that the blood alcohol test does.
The standard argument of if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear so you shouldn't mind letting them look doesn't wash with me here. By allowing this sort of behavior we are allowing them to erode more and more of our rights and freedoms.
Jim
Well, at least with a blood alcohol test they have probable cause... i.e., they suspect you have been drinking, and the test is simply to confirm it. Stopping private citizens in their personal pickup trucks for no reason other than to dip their tanks with no prior suspicion of wrong-doing is invasive, and a breach of personal freedoms in my opinion.
One poster mentioned that in his area if they stop you it is because someone at the station saw you pumping it and reported you. That is a bit different, and carries with it the same suspicion of wrong-doing that the blood alcohol test does.
The standard argument of if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear so you shouldn't mind letting them look doesn't wash with me here. By allowing this sort of behavior we are allowing them to erode more and more of our rights and freedoms.
Jim
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Hum hows it go. at the time i am not 100% sure In iowa, if you home brew under 399 gallons/month you either dont have to pay federal or state taxes. One of the other. Cant remember what one though. I think its state taxes
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Just curious but with all the concern over getting caught running red fuel has anybody ever figured out if the red could be removed chemically? I saw an Oxyclean commercial where this guy took some cleaner and all the red disappeared....Any ideas?,,,,Just curious and for informational purposes of course!