you might get the colour out of it , but the chemical tracer would probably still be there, i would imagine it is VERY hard to remove , just remember , if we can think of ways around the law , they can find it too , and make it harder for us.

 

Per IRS rule, the amount of red-dye was doubled from the original formula. I know it takes seven (7) full tanks of clear/yellow #2 to cleanse it from the system. You'd probably could get away with a 1:10 mix of it without it showing red. Just remember, if you're gonna do this, use portable containers and I didn't tell you how.

 

Friend was telling me of an outfit in England that sells a filter that removes the dye. I searched around net and found no info but did find that several businesses have been busted for removing the dye with a filter. All were big time, removing the dye in large quantities to resell the fuel for greater profit.
Guess that means it can be done.

 

i dump old tractor fuel in my trucks all the time. if they wanna dip me, they're gunna have to get a warrant to do it, and last time i checked, driving a diesel powered vehicle isn't grounds for a warrant.


jeremiah

 

jeremiah: http://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/441543f.pdf read penalty for use.

 

I don't see fines for private vehicles, but it's probably there. They start at $500 not $100. http://www.mdt.state.mt.us/mcs/docs/...ual/sect08.pdf
The good stuff starts on pg 12 and goes thru pg 33, where the fines are found.

 

You're looking at the fines for a person with a SU (special use) permit who violates the rules(page 18). Talking with a guy at Montana DOT he assured me the fine is a maximum $100 for the first offence.
You're also looking at the 1999 rules, 2004 is here http://www.mdt.state.mt.us/fuel_tax/...fuel_usage.pdf
with the fine on page 6

More details here http://data.opi.state.mt.us/bills/mc.../15-70-330.htm

 

i'm not talking about the penalty, i'm talking about getting a warrant to assess the penalty. like it or not we have a constitutional protection against unreasonable searches.

 

Warrant? They don't need a warrant, they're the cops! I suppose if you check with your state's DOT, you'll find somewhere that when you signed your D/L, you agreed to obey the laws of the state. Refusing to allow an inspection is as much as saying you're guilty. I know a couple of judges, awakened early in the morning, who signed search warrants. The US Supreme Court, in case you weren't aware, has stripped the presumption of innocence away on searches/seizures. It looks good on paper.

 

Yep, the law considers operating a motor vehicle on public roadways a "privilege", not a "right". With that as a given, then the government claims for itself the right to ensure that you've paid the appropriate road taxes required to retain this privilege.

Rusty

 

if they want to dip my tank, they will need a warrant. i signed no such agreement that allows unrestricted searches of my person or effects when i got a drivers licence. i looked into it.


jeremiah

 

I hope this doesn't cause a tangent but yes you have the right to refuse the tank dipping just as you do to refuse a breathalizer, but there are consequences. Refuse a breathalizer and you automatically lose your license for 90days then they can get a warrant and force you into a blood test anyway. With that said feel free to tell them they'll need a warrant, they can get one if they'd like to dip it but if not they'll assign you a hefty fine and get on their way. Driving is a privilage, not a right.

 

The whole debate is pretty silly to me, because the amount of money saved by using off versus on road diesel is so little it's not worth the risk. Plus the off road diesel might be high sulfur which could potentially damage your truck. I saw a high sulfur off road diesel pump at a station yesterday while on a road trip. It was 1.91 and on road was $2.14. Not a big difference..

 

every weekend i pass a pump what has diesel $1.49. i know it is off road diesel because of the such low price. plus its out in the country and there is alot of tracotrs. also the normal price for diesel around here is $2.079. so either that is cheap diesel or it is the dyed. but it is jsut so tempeting to stop and fill her up. ive never been stopped and checked in tennessee. do they check anytime you get pulled over or how does that work. i might jsut start fillign up there. but then they could report me to. i would just plead innocent. i didnot kow the difference. LOL

 

When the IRS suspended the dye rules for FLA, during the hurricanes, several other states, most notably NC, VA & WV started stopping northbound FLA trucks to check for the dye. Logic would've told them that it takes 5 to 7 tanks of clear, yellow or green to clear the system. Unless you're running WOT from FLA, it's nigh impossible to run that many tanks of clear before arriving in NC. But logic isn't part of their education. They saw it as a potential cash-cow.

http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuel.../L2_3_9_rf.htm

For those that insist on duming ATF into their tanks, here's a tidbit: One quart of ATF will show red for the whole tank.

I can legally run dyed fuels in my boat or on the farm, but not in vehicles that go on public roads. The red-dye doesn't necessarily mean it's high sulphur. Blue dye is generally indicator of high sulphur. Canadian fuels are often dyed Purple, Green or Brown, so there's no concensus. MT & WY will not prosecute for running those colors.

And, one last thing. Kersosene (K1) is now dyed, to prevent folks from putting it into road vehicles. http://www.msiwix.com/irstax.htm