Originally Posted by norwegian Ram

Here is the Volvo D6 . up to 435 hp and 993 Nm at 2000 rpm. can be had in verisions from 310 hp.
Its got a very good reputation in the boats.

http://www.volvo.com/volvopenta/uk/e...006/d6-435.htm

Originally Posted by induchman

They work fine until you need to find a repairman and parts. Then they're just another hunk of EU junk.

Originally Posted by midlife crisis

Umm..If you are still talking Marine engines here, you needent look very far .
Volvo Penta has approx 200 diesel dealers in the US.
Volvo Penta has just over 2000 gas dealers in the US.
They have a Rapid Response program that puts a diesel tech onboard to assess the problem within 24 hours of the 1st call.
They have a 72 hour parts program in place, to not only get parts here in a short time- but its free if they fail to get it to you.
They just started taking RETAIL sales direct- via internet.

On their worst day they will never be junk- please dont disparage without some facts.

Originally Posted by getblown5.9

will they wisen up and go to an I6 design to simplify things, get the same power, and better reliability. i doubt it because they know for sure that all those ford guys want to buy their big bad V8's!

Originally Posted by johnny5.9

They need to proposition Detroit or Perkins for a diesel. They both have diesels that are right around the right size and weight.

Originally Posted by ckt_santiago

Funny part of them losing everything in 84 is that they were doing just fine and they had been leading the market in innovations for quite some time with their large frame 2wd tractors. Better designed engines, more simple designed transmission that was way overbuilt for the smaller NA versions of the big frames (slightly under-built for the 1466 since no one could resist messin with the pump). Deere didn't have them running scared at all really, should Deere have waited just two more years on their 2 cylinder and not brought out their new tractors the would have gone under. Not to mention Deere waited until what, the mid sixties to put a hydraulically actuated planetary reduced shift mechanism in their trans? Oh and guess who just now decided that a hydrostatic drive in larger tractors is actually useful? Deere! IH was testing hydros when they were designing the M for crying out loud.

Yes the 560 diesel was a nightmare, but then look at the 301 combine diesel built later off the 282 block; 110 NA hp stock and they were extremely reliable.Look at the later versions of the same 5 speed rear end with some slight updates: they put them behind the D312 and had no issues with them in the 666 and 686.

Not to mention International was about to launch a completely new line of tractors at the time of the buyout. Guess what we still got to see them; they just weren't powered by the famed DT466 but instead an 8.3 cummins in the MAGNUM series tractors. Case IH was mainly IH tractors that were re-badged and re-powered by either cummins or Perkins with case tin. The funny part of it all was the fact that Case IH used IH's 18speed power-shift and it made JD scramble for their 19speed to say they had the leg up on them. Too bad the 19speed shifted like crap and the 18speed shifted like silk (and still does in the new McCormicks)

All I know is that I love making all the Deere boys in 5500# farm scratch their heads when I come out with a Farmall 400 and walk all over them without even lifting the front end (no weights at all on the tractor). I will always bleed red and our team will always find ways to get a red tractor into a class that no one will touch because there are too many Deeres...

Now, sorry for the long post and back to the topic at hand.....

Yes Ford did at one time have one heck of an inline six, so they do have experience with building a diesel engine. That means they can build a good strong engine, but they still have to meet those pesky emissions just like every body else. That being said I have to point out that it is the emissions systems on these trucks that are giving Ford troubles so we have to keep an eye on our own trucks because it could just as easily happen to a Dodge or Chevy/GMC....

Navistar still makes good products and is actually being trusted by our military to design the next generation of wheeled vehicles for our troops since the HMMWV is seriously outdated and underpowered. I also know that the Marine Corps trusts alot of their severe duty trucks for a variety of applications including fire trucks and ammo trucks on Camp Pendleton (I am former Infantry) and they are very pleased with performance/reliability. But, Ford IS a big part of Navistar's business and it will be a very painful divorce. The only hope of some refuge for the thousands of Navistar workers will be the thousands of additional workers that will be needed at Ford to make their new engine.

Originally Posted by ridofpwrstroke

Two points:
1st-the 5500 international you have isn't stock. You are talking modified tractors. Kind of like how our cummins can walk over a bigger 7.3 motor. Stock they are close.