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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 09:49 PM
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ya i think that would do er! haha
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 11:24 PM
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Scheids has those 12 cylinder pumps that are set to run on a 6. That should provide enough fuel for you.
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tate
Scheids has those 12 cylinder pumps that are set to run on a 6. That should provide enough fuel for you.
WOW!!

thats like two P pumps in one! Imagine the fuel flow

Rick
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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ALOT

They run them on tractors here in the Midwest...have for years!!

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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 07:28 PM
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So maybe 1500-1600HP on #2 if you had the air to burn 2000-2300cc's of fuel? With a 12cyl pump.

Holy Crap, They would have to give you a 5 minute heads up so you could go ahead and start spooling your monsterous turbos to eventually see, I would say about 200psi to burn that much fuel.

Yeah something epensive would definatley go POP in that case.

But if it didnt= x1,000,000

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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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alright you 12v gurus give me the parts list to get a 1000-1500hp out of a 12v. get as much out of straight #2 as you can and then we'll start pouring the drugs into it.
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 07:31 PM
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wont you blow a hole out the side of the block around 150-175 psi? i think i herd of a motor that did that..... maybe just a bad block
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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Better just Call Scheid, and send them a blank check

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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 08:08 PM
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Better just Call Scheid, and send them a blank check

Chris
LOL this could get costly....
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by blackdiesel
LOL this could get costly....
Ill take a stab at it

BIG twins Aurora 5000 over an HX 82
Extreme duty studs and a copper gasket with the block tapped and drilled
Machined and ported head with industrial duty O rings
Huge Custom Injectors
Huge Custom P Pump or that 12 cylinder pump
Auxillary Fuel system with the OFV done away with
Schied Pistons
Custom ground Cam
Crank Shaft
Push Rods
Valve Springs
5K RPM kit or higher
Lots of timing
FASS system
Water meth injection
Valve springs
Keepers
Retainers
Better Intercooler

Bottom End bearings and stuff, Built and blue printed
Industrial duty transmission and rear end

Umm yeah Chris is right on this one, and wont starting it be an issue? due to the super high timing ur gonna run?

Brian, u better win the lottery soon if ur gonna do this one... hehehehe

Rick
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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humm... well i may just get a motor to mach up the body/suspension/chassis up with. have the drivetrain all set up and everything. Then pull the mach motor and haul it up to schieds or whoever and let them stick it in. Id hate to get up there and something go wrong or not line up. that would be my luck though
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TxDiesel007

Brian, u better win the lottery soon if ur gonna do this one... hehehehe

Rick
you think your funny, but i dont find it amusing! jk rick, ill agree. Im going to need to stumble across some cash in a hurry


well ive got a buddy that thinks firebirds are the hot stuff. he keeps sayin that hes going to drop enough coin into his car to beat this diesel hot rod and we cant let that happen now can we!?

i told him that i dont care if he gets a gasser to run in the 7's or 8's. a diesel running the 7's or 8's will get much more recoginition than a gasser ever would. There are only a hand full of diesels doing this, but theres a lot of gassers doing it!


ah well, i need to expand on my business and pay off a few loans. build this truck then start to save for a house. this is gunna be so fun!
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 10:51 PM
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i told him that i dont care if he gets a gasser to run in the 7's or 8's. a diesel running the 7's or 8's will get much more recoginition than a gasser ever would. There are only a hand full of diesels doing this, but theres a lot of gassers doing it!
And, uh, price has something to do with that...

And the fact that the best engine the Diesel community has for this kind of performance is a block designed 30 years ago for use in tractors. In all reality, I'm convinced that the Cummins is a lost cause below ten seconds. You watch those funny drag trucks that they have at Muncie and you understand the problems inherient with the Cummins; they can make the power, but due to the massive stroke and relatively low RPM it is all in torque and not much is in horsepower. To convert the torque you have to run crazy heavy-duty drivelines, and even then you're looking at massive jerks and chassis flexes, combined with the additional weight and cost. When the sub-10 second trucks shift the engine torque pulls the truck nearly 90 degrees sideways.
I just don't think a inline 6 with a five inch stroke and 6000 RPM redline will ever be able to reach a useful enough HP curve to compete with a V-8 gasser, much less on an economical basis.
Now, a V-8 Diesel designed for performance, with modern technology involved, is very up for the task. (Just ask Team Audi at LeMans...) But I think that the Cummins, while holding great promise for continued use in sled pulling, is simply not a valid design for racing in the sub 10-second ballpark. Way too much torque, not enough horsepower, not enough RPM.
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 11:23 PM
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it can be done but money is no object here and a weight difference check this out http://www.scheiddiesel.com/Scheiddi...orts/news.html
from being around drag racing most of my life chassis flex wont nessicallry be that big of an issue with that amount of power being it will have to be a full tube chassis that will have to be nhra certified. the problem will be making the hp to pull it on the big end but most of your e.t is made up in the first 60 ft of your pass a 60 ft time is everything. hooking up wont be an issue with a good four link and with good componants and proper tires and tire pressure. i beleive you cannot run a certain e.t if you are to heavy. not one hundered percent sure though you can get a nhra rule book on their web site, and get all the info on rules and regs before you get started so you dont get in a bind.
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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pack Mule
a little mikey mouse ford 9" would snap like a twig under the torque these motors put out. and talkin about makin these hot rods sounds like someone plans on spendin big times bucks and a whole lot of work. but it will be well worth it if it gets done and workin right.
Nope. That's what is in this diesel dragster. A lowly Ford 9".

http://www.cumminsracing.com/

Brian, not to rain too much on your parade, but the average cost for a Pro Diesel truck is ~85-100k. Used parts can make it less, but figure on replacing them for more $$ in the end. Most of the Pro Diesel guys are finding out that too much quicker the 10.99 quarter ends in regularly destroyed engines/turbos/drivetrain parts. That's what makes the Quick Diesel index class so attractive. You can race a daily driver reliably instead of replacing $10k of block every 2-3 races.

brandon.
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