thanks for the info, i have all the tools to do it, in fact i've never paid to have someone else do it since i was 15..... i feel old now... i was just wonderin the best way to get the filter, got it now, thanks... going with "from underneath"... thanks all.

 

What I did was went to Meijer's (department store chain like Walmart in the northeast) and looked up the Fram oil filter and used it to find filter wrench to fit. Then I put the Fram back since that is the only thing useful for a Fram filter.

Later,
Al