I"m so sure that I can send you a copy of my $30 bill and take a digital picture of all six powermaster bottles if you really don't believe me ;D

straight from their site, dunno how you missed this - "$30.00 for 6 twelve ounce bottles"

 

Gladly ;D <br><br>....and I think it suffices to say we gave the original poster a few things an HO owner should know, and then some. I hope we've answered his question about fuel additives, LOL

 

[quote author=Lightman link=board=20;threadid=14986;start=15#142280 date=1053982142]<br><br>As far as putting in whatever flying J serves up, that could prove risky business, although you are covering your rear by adding the 2 stroke oil for lubricity and the PS. To find a good fuel source, you must first find a source that is either corporate owned and is required to buy only their branded fuel, or privately owned and allowed to buy whoever has the cheapest price (and usually quality) at the time. The one exception to that rule here in FL, is Hess. While a hess station may be privately bought as a franchise operation, they are required to buy only hess fuel. Once you've found a station with a consistent fuel supply, then it is prudent to test the source for quality, and you can again in a few months to re confirm if necessary. My local hess we tested 3 months ago and were very pleased to find the fuel had a cetane index of 50 8), and reasonably clean particulate levels. We tested it again a few weeks ago and 48 cetane and similar particulates. I feel thats a reasonable amount of data to assume we've found a consistently good source. Might want to look into a test, its great to finally see exactly what you're pumping into your tank. <br><br>Last but not least, I am not in this business whatsoever, I'm just an avid diesel enthusiast. I am in contact with many industry professionals and am always on the quest for more diesel truth! ;D<br>[/quote]<br><br>Yeah but in the real world it does not work that way. Using the vehicle commercially, it is impossible to pick and choose the actual quality of the diesel fuel. Every three hundred miles or so I have to fuel the truck. The best I can do is to use a higher volume truck stop with a major brand. There are variables, such as Birmingham based fuel is not a good as Atlanta based fuel. Better mileage and power from Atlanta based fuel. If you are not commercial than where is the big deal. I have 200,000 trouble free miles on the engine, used only a private transportation gets much less miles. That is sort of like testing the water before drinking any, not practical or needed. If a truck stop gets a bad load of fuel, the truck runs bad until it is out. I rarely put additives in unless trying to correct a problem, like some missing at idle during the winter. So what is the point of getting real technical about major brand fuel? You hae to take what is offered in the real world.

 

Well, where to start, LOL. First, in my 'real world' I dont drive a commercial vehicle, but drive my car 800-1000 miles a week for work. I manage to fill up at my local clean sources every time, it's not that tough when they're 5 mins from your house and with a little planning. Secondly, most commercial trucks and older style diesels have very low pressure injection systems. These systems aren't as affected by high particulate matter in the fuel. My TDI on the other hand, has 20,000 psi at the injectors, and much tighter tolerances. Engine manufacturers have tagged particles in the 5-7 micron range and higher as causing excessive injection system wear. Therefore as diesels progress to the higher pressure injection systems, fuel cleanliness becomes more important. Going to a busy truckstop to get 'fresh' fuel accomplishes nothing. The only thing to avoid as far as that goes is the really rarely used stations where the fuel could be sitting for a long time. As I posted, I tested a local amoco truck stop with tons of diesel sales, and it was horribly dirty. 123 MILLION particles per gallon compared to the texaco's 3 million It pays to know what you're putting in your high pressure injection system. If you can't manage to fill at the same station consistently, you are right, you are on your own and may luck be with you. Hopefully this helps.

Edit: you are right too, alabama is notorious for having low quality diesel, stinks, but what can ya do... [undecided]

 

Gary! Here is an answer to your question ;D I knew my friend who is a lubrication engineer would know. He's been working with diesel technology for over 20 years. <br><br>Before anyone reads this and takes it the wrong way, understand this FACT. Sulfur is in no way shape or form a lubricant. The process that removes sulfur to make low sulfur diesel strips the fuel's lubricity along with the sulfur. The sulfur is not related to lubricity! This is a common misconception, I've even heard people going so far as to say they wanted to try to dump sulfur in their tanks, LOL. There are no shortage of morons out there, thats for sure!<br><br>Here's the answer to how lubricity is measured and additive dosage levels in relation to lubricity are determined!<br><br>&quot;The test used as a determinant for diesel fuel lubricity is called the BOCLE test. It was developed to enable an emperical measurement of lubricity relative to high sulfur diesel fuel. High sulfur diesel yields a BOCLE rating of 3600. (higher number, better lubricity)<br>I do not know Standadyne's BOCLE numbers but Primrose 405 at standard treat rate for low sulfur fuel achieves a BOCLE rating of 3600 = high sulfur fuel. Thus a treat rate of one ounce per 16 gallons of low sulfur diesel fuel will yield lubricity equal to high sulfur diesel fuel. Primrose has available a graph reflecting appropriate fuel treatment rates for different fuels, including kerosene, jet fuel, etc enabling those fuels reach high sulfur diesel lubricity levels. Of course higher treat rate results in increased lubricity, to a point.<br>George Morrison, STLE CLS &quot;