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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rich
so your telling me that you engineer these trucks
Did. By choice, I left.


Originally Posted by rich
yea then go back to the drawing board because they are not working except for soccer moms.
If it's not adequate, you need a bigger truck. Plain and simple. The other OEMS have similiar methodology.


Originally Posted by rich
easy take your total weight and divide it by the number of axles when i haul it would be 4 so about 8650 per axle if the weight was distributed evenly among the axles. so the truck has only 17k as a total weight.
Just because you stay under axle ratings, doesn't mean you are under GCWR.


Originally Posted by rich
truck had more gear train rattle with dm then any before it.
Prior to DM, there was also a NVG transmission with a steel case, which equates to a larger mass. Mass kills vibration. A G56 truck, with it's aluminum case, will naturally exhibit more noise due to lighter mass. Also, in this period, the HP rating of the engine continued to climb. The motor is the input to the issue. As the power went up, the gear train rattle got worse. So, if you took a DM truck with G56, swapped in a standard clutch it will exhibit more gear train rattle than an identical truck (talking same year, same HP) with a standard clutch and NVG trans.

Trying to draw a conclusion that a DM causes more gear train rattle when you compare your experience with an 03 truck vs an 06 truck is really comparing apples to oranges. Changes in mass/components/HP ratings all affected it.


Originally Posted by rich
maybe you people need to real world test things before yousend them out. seems that the manufacters need to quit worrying about the soccer mom and wannabe's and instead go for the guys that actually work these trucks.
OEM's are all the same. Where do you draw the line 30K? 40K? Why stop there, why not 80K? The GCWR, as defined, is reasonable for the truck, given how it's equipped. They are tested in real world conditions, to the limits of the truck as equipped. Thus, the GCWR.
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 11:44 PM
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never said my truck was not adequate, if it was i would not have owned it, you assume i thought it was,once again gcwr has nothing to do with any problems that i have had with the truck, i have told many people how well it does what i need it to do. betwwen the dm and the wonderful aluminum case their is just as much noise and ratttle then any of the other dodges my friends have which have the same hp just different tranny . as far as testing it was not towards weight but more towards real world conditions as far as working mine due more then pull a trailer they also go to jobsites and other out of the way places, but yes i know everybody who designs these trucks are never wrong and everything they do is perfect it is the consumers fault. thats why my 07 came from the factory with a bad tranny, but i guess it was my fault that it was bad from the factory and i didnt inspect it. it only lasted alittle over 18k miles and started going bad at 10k. of course the first thing thatr was done was a new flywheel as per directed by star. hmm ifm the dm was so great why would they want to replace it without even suspecting the tranny. once again gert off the gcwr horse and actually look at the design and how well the product actually is
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by morpheus
Right. And we should believe you are towing under Dodge's GCWR? Didn't you just brag in a post about scaling over 40K? And of course they were ALL bone stock trucks, ZERO mods towing at or under GCWR.

I'm not saying the DM is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but then the biggest voices of "it's crap" also are simply abusing the thing.
My truck got its first programmer with less then 100 miles. Soon after I put in a SB clutch because I knew the factory clutch wasn't up to the task. My truck works for a living, almost always hooked to a trailer. I have cattle,hay,grain to haul not just groceries.


What I was referring to was several of my friends trucks were bone stock and most of which still are blew clutches out pulling just a light load. You know the wonderful thing about a DM clutch is most of the time they explode when they fail. And the cheapest part of the repair is the clutch itself.
The sad part of this to me is some of my friends have had Dodge manuals in the past pulling the same trailer and got over 200K on a clutch. There DM clutch failed around the 30-45k So is it abuse or just a crappy clutch?
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by morpheus

I worked in the truck engineering and worked with parts that interfaced with the DM. So, any issues with the DM affected me.

The DM is there to help with engine harmonics which induce gear train rattle. When's the last time you drove a class 6 and cared about gear train rattle when lugging the engine? Do you use one for a commuting vehicle? Your answer is likely you don't care about gear train rattle in a truck that size. With a larger number of customers driving these (rams) for daily use it was deemed non commercial.
Their is the problem "with a larger number of customers driving these (rams) for daily use it was deemed non commercial."

You engineers built a clutch for the grocery getters even tho most of them are driving automatics Thank god you didn't build the engine!!!!! it would be a V8 because that is what people want!!

Dodge needs to build a truck with a higher GCWR I was hoping they would do this when the 4500/5500 came out. Could at least match fords F-450
If a person wants a truck that can pull more what is there to choose form that has 4wheel drive??
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