I left my truck with Satan
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I left my truck with Satan
truck back to the Dodge dealership today for the fifth time fuel gauge broken again but anyway I was looking at the new power wagon and I was wondering if anybody might have some feedback on the winch they have behind the bumper I was wondering if it might work on my 04 3500 Cummings diesel that's a nice set up.
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Cummins. . .no "g".
It wouldn't work in it's present incarnation, as it sits right where the intercooler is.
I looked at one just the other day, and it looks to be a Warn 12,000 lb winch, rebadged for Dodge.
I have that winch on mine, in an aftermarket bumper, which you'd have to do with the 3rd gen.
phox
It wouldn't work in it's present incarnation, as it sits right where the intercooler is.
I looked at one just the other day, and it looks to be a Warn 12,000 lb winch, rebadged for Dodge.
I have that winch on mine, in an aftermarket bumper, which you'd have to do with the 3rd gen.
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Its a Warn 12,000lb winch. Warn has alot of mounting options to let you mount one on your Cummins.
If your thinkin about a winch, Id go for something a little more than 12,000. The standard rule of thumb for a winch is that it should be able to pull 1.5 times the weight of your truck. Take a look at their 15K or 16.5K lb winches.
If your thinkin about a winch, Id go for something a little more than 12,000. The standard rule of thumb for a winch is that it should be able to pull 1.5 times the weight of your truck. Take a look at their 15K or 16.5K lb winches.
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So, help me understand something here. If 7200lb * 1.5 = 10.8klb, and rolling resistance, even on a trail, is <1/4 the weight of the truck, why go for a 15kip or 16.5kip winch? also, fatoring in a double line pull would give you 24kip capacity on a 12kip winch? Granted, you'll have 1/2 the total line length to work with.
Not trying to start a war...Just want to understand.
Tony
Not trying to start a war...Just want to understand.
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Try to keep in mind what the ratings mean. You will usually just see the big numbers because it
looks better on paper.
To explain, you will see the MAX line pull which is based on the FIRST layer of cable, that is, the
first layer to be laid on the reel. Now if you have 3 layers, and don't pull out enough line to get down to the lower layer you could easily have maybe 1/2 the line pull that you have on the first layer.
I guess it boils down to what you estimate you'll be using it for (worse situation).
Larry
looks better on paper.
To explain, you will see the MAX line pull which is based on the FIRST layer of cable, that is, the
first layer to be laid on the reel. Now if you have 3 layers, and don't pull out enough line to get down to the lower layer you could easily have maybe 1/2 the line pull that you have on the first layer.
I guess it boils down to what you estimate you'll be using it for (worse situation).
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Originally posted by TonyB
So, help me understand something here. If 7200lb * 1.5 = 10.8klb, and rolling resistance, even on a trail, is <1/4 the weight of the truck, why go for a 15kip or 16.5kip winch? also, fatoring in a double line pull would give you 24kip capacity on a 12kip winch? Granted, you'll have 1/2 the total line length to work with.
Not trying to start a war...Just want to understand.
Tony
So, help me understand something here. If 7200lb * 1.5 = 10.8klb, and rolling resistance, even on a trail, is <1/4 the weight of the truck, why go for a 15kip or 16.5kip winch? also, fatoring in a double line pull would give you 24kip capacity on a 12kip winch? Granted, you'll have 1/2 the total line length to work with.
Not trying to start a war...Just want to understand.
Tony
If you hook up a ****** block (double line pull), you will use a LOT more electricity because the winch is having to operate for twice as long. No, it doesn't use half as much electricity to offset.
Here's a re-posting of something I posted earlier:
Original Brilliant Post from Hohn
NOT necessarily TRUE!! Bigger is NOT always better with winches (but usually is).
Compare the line speeds and electrical usage of a winch at certain loads and you will see this is the case.
Consider the Warn 9.5XP and the 16.5ti thermometric. Both are Warn's premium winches within their load categories. (9.5= 9500#, 16.5= 16,500# rated line pull).
At a load of 2000#, the 9.5XP has a line speed of 16.8 ft/min and uses 175 amps. At the same load, the 16.5ti has a line speed of 12.07 ft/min and uses 138 amps. So, if you had to pull in 100ft of line at a load of 2K#, the 9.5 uses 1041 amp-minutes and the 16.5ti uses 1142 amp-minutes.
So, to do the EXACT SAME WORK, the 9.5xp took less electricity to do it. Not only that, but it did the work FASTER (mostly because it was exerting itself for less time, thus less electrical usage).
In this case, the 9.5 acts more like a powerlifter (because of it's taller gearing, it has to work harder for less time) and the 16.5 acts like a marathon runner (geared so low that it exerts itself less, but for much more time).
But if you change the workload to 6000 pounds, things get interesting.
At a load of 6K, the 9.5 uses 335 Amps to produce a line speed of 10.1 ft/min. The 16.5 uses only 240 amps for a line speed of 7.37 ft/min. To recover a 100ft length at this load, the 9.5 will use 3316 amp-minutes of electricity, and the 16.5 will only use 3256 amp-minutes of juice.
Now the tables have turned-- to do the EXACT SAME WORK, the 16.5 is more efficient than the 9.5.
As the workload goes up, the 16.5 will have an increasingly larger efficiency advantage over the smaller winch (9.5).
So don't get the big winch if you will only use it for about 2K-3K workload (pulling out other from ditch, etc). The faster line speed of the smaller winch will also speed things up quite a bit.
But if you're going to be winching yourself up impossible hills or winching out of tire-burying muck, the larger winch is going to be helpful.
http://www.warn.com/
Also, looking at the info from Warn's website, you can see that it's a LOT more efficient to have one large winch on a single line pull than to use a smaller winch on a ****** block pulling half as hard for twice as long (can you say SLOOOOOOW line speed?)
NOT necessarily TRUE!! Bigger is NOT always better with winches (but usually is).
Compare the line speeds and electrical usage of a winch at certain loads and you will see this is the case.
Consider the Warn 9.5XP and the 16.5ti thermometric. Both are Warn's premium winches within their load categories. (9.5= 9500#, 16.5= 16,500# rated line pull).
At a load of 2000#, the 9.5XP has a line speed of 16.8 ft/min and uses 175 amps. At the same load, the 16.5ti has a line speed of 12.07 ft/min and uses 138 amps. So, if you had to pull in 100ft of line at a load of 2K#, the 9.5 uses 1041 amp-minutes and the 16.5ti uses 1142 amp-minutes.
So, to do the EXACT SAME WORK, the 9.5xp took less electricity to do it. Not only that, but it did the work FASTER (mostly because it was exerting itself for less time, thus less electrical usage).
In this case, the 9.5 acts more like a powerlifter (because of it's taller gearing, it has to work harder for less time) and the 16.5 acts like a marathon runner (geared so low that it exerts itself less, but for much more time).
But if you change the workload to 6000 pounds, things get interesting.
At a load of 6K, the 9.5 uses 335 Amps to produce a line speed of 10.1 ft/min. The 16.5 uses only 240 amps for a line speed of 7.37 ft/min. To recover a 100ft length at this load, the 9.5 will use 3316 amp-minutes of electricity, and the 16.5 will only use 3256 amp-minutes of juice.
Now the tables have turned-- to do the EXACT SAME WORK, the 16.5 is more efficient than the 9.5.
As the workload goes up, the 16.5 will have an increasingly larger efficiency advantage over the smaller winch (9.5).
So don't get the big winch if you will only use it for about 2K-3K workload (pulling out other from ditch, etc). The faster line speed of the smaller winch will also speed things up quite a bit.
But if you're going to be winching yourself up impossible hills or winching out of tire-burying muck, the larger winch is going to be helpful.
http://www.warn.com/
Also, looking at the info from Warn's website, you can see that it's a LOT more efficient to have one large winch on a single line pull than to use a smaller winch on a ****** block pulling half as hard for twice as long (can you say SLOOOOOOW line speed?)
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Thanks for the feedback when I get my truck back from Satan I will check out these wenches but first I will look at a power wagon with a diesel in it and see how they installed it at the factory thanks again. By the way I will let everybody know if they fixed my gas gauge.
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