Yes they can tell, the EZ changes the fueling map parimeters on the older 24 valved trucks and raises the fuel pressure on the newer trucks. Any change what so ever to any component is stored in memory. Some dealers will still honor warranty claims with modifications but DC is asking more and more for data and parts from the dealers so it is getting harder for even the dealers to honor warranty issues. Like when I lost the warranty on my new 99 the dealer said; do you think we are going to jeaprodise our dealership on a warranty claim.

 

I guess some guys type faster than me. I know nothing about the A2 has it has not been released yet. I certainly would not go by one dealers word. If you can get it in writing from Edge that it is untracable than you can always go after Edge if you loose your warranty. Humm, I wonder if Edge makes such a claim.

 

Please tell me more about the 22MPG on the highway... I am looking at buying a DC because I heard they get good fuel economy. Thanks.

BTW: I'll be staying stock except for an exhaust brake.

 

We believe you , and it is for improved mileage and integrated GPS and the backup camera will keep you from damaging the truck or running over someone .

Go for it!

 

For vehicle factory warranty issues from edge products click on this link www.edgeproducts.com and then go to FAQ

Even they admit if DC wants to void your warranty there isn't much you or edge can do about it.

Buyer beware, You will be your own warranty station.

 

yes, if they knew you had one they would void your warranty.

"the EZ changes the fueling map parimeters on the older 24 valved trucks and raises the fuel pressure on the newer trucks."

Yes, it changes the pressure, timing, duration, etc. However, The EZ does not change the calibration in the ECM. It modifies it. That statement is false. The ECM does not record it.

 

i still wouldn't trust it. not if i wanted warranty work done on my truck. which is why i will leave mine alone.... for now

britt

 

some of the performance boxes leave a footprint in the ECM that the dealer can find even w/ the box removed. (The TST PMCR does) and the connectors that the box were hooked to will be clean from you connecting and disconnecting them and that is one way they know that you have tampered with it by putting a box on it.

 

I put on a Airaid high air flow and new exhust. For the most part it is a straight pipe. The numbers (MPG) have gone up 2-4 more miles on the highway and about 1-2 around town. I am not sure about adding the edge for the same reasons as everyone is saying.

OK so for the record does the EZ leave a trace? If you add gauges with the EZ would the dealership question why the gauges?

Bruce

 

i wouldn't think that they would question the gauges. there is nothing wrong with wanting to know what is going on with your truck. the edge from everything i have heard WILL leave some information (that the dealer can detect) in the computer.

it is as simple as this: if you don't mind doing your own warranty work then get the box. if you do... don't.

britt

 

Bigblock2stroke,
Your right It doesn't but it does. It is too technical for me to try and explain. The data is not stored in the ECM but in the injection pump fueling map data. If you trust that they will not detect it then by all means use it. When DC voids your warranty on a $1,500 injection pump or $15,000 engine, transmission, axle drivetrain then you can argue with them. I will say it again, any box you put on will leave traces the dealership or DC can detect. It's the same as the computer you are using right now, the right people can detect anything you have done on your computer even if you erase everything, the only way to avoid this would be to completely disinicrate it, then it would be questioned why.

I have been on many websites since Dodge came out with electronic controled 24 valve engines back in model year 98.5. Since that time there have been leaps and bounds made in electronic components for the dodge cummins engines on both sides of the fence. The aftermarket guys bank on the magnusson act to get you to buy their product yet not once have I read about an aftermarket product producer stand up against DC to help out a customer with warranty issues. The only statement I have read about is the aftermarket guy says that the dealer can not void your warranty and then leave you there to hang in limbo between them and the factory warranty.

 

Your right It doesn't but it does. It is too technical for me to try and explain. The data is not stored in the ECM but in the injection pump fueling map data.

So the fueling map data is not stored in the ECM? Where is it stored?

 

hello i'm new to this site and thought this might be a good topic to jump in on. my ctd was getting 12mpg city so i purchased the edge with attitude and leave it on stage 1 to help out my fuel mileage. my mpg has improved to a dissapointing 12.5 so in my opinion save your money.

 

I've talked to 3 different dealers around the Phoenix area. They all agree that DC doesn't care what kind of air filter or muffler you have on the trucks, as long as you DO have an air filter and muffler. Guages are OK, also.

Regarding boxes. They all said that DC does not like anything that changes or modifies the fuel delivery. They also said that DC is getting a lot smarter when it comes to learning how to trace any changes from the stock parameters. My understanding is that the computers have a known parameter, or border. If a box causes the known boost or fuel delivery to go beyond those parameters, that information is recorded in the computer and can, later, be seen. They have learned a lot and know what to look for. However, some of these same dealers sell boxes! One sells aftermarket injectors! Anything to make a buck, I guess.

From the reading I have done, I would beware of high preasure settings on some of these boxes. There is a thread on this forum pertaining to Don M. (the injector guru) and the damage he has seen caused by high preasures. He has quite a few examples and pictures. Something to keep in mind.

Joe F.(Buffalo)