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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 06:10 AM
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Where to find pump seals. Pump tweak debate

I am just wondering where I can find the IP seal kit. PDR and my local Cummins service center both don't carry Bosch parts (at least the seal kits).

I have fuel leaking into my AFC cover and have a 3200 RPM spring waiting to go in when I replace the seal, but am having no luck finding the seals.

-Steve
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 10:22 AM
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Thanks for the information.

So far my pump doesn't have anything done to the internals. It has been tweaked a bit, but not extreme. I am only considering the spring because of how cheap it is and the improved throttle response. The pump is only a year and a half old. It was new/rebuilt from a reputable national supplier. I am guessing this leak to be a result of the LSD/ULSD changeover, but I could be wrong. I have messed with the pin, but it is currently close to being in stock position. That is one adjustment I haven't ever noticed much of a gain from.

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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Palerider
Flame suit still in place----- I had my pump recently rebuilt at H&H. I had been looking through the forums reading up on the do it yourself stuff and when I asked about these starwheel turns and pin mods, they looked at me like I was stoned. It obviously would have been cheaper than removing the pump, but they said, without calibrating the pump, the rest just causes more smoke or doesnt allow the pump to accuretely use it and messes with reliabilty. The smoke is unburnt fuel. No good for power and hard on the pocket, but good for tail gaters.
Maybe I am not understanding what you are saying. But from what I have learned here, those mods are common practice. They just take some fine tuning that anyone with the proper gauges, some common sense, and patience can do themselves. All without any major negative effect on the pump. I do understand that more fuel with put more strain on the pump though, but not major. Also, there are many here rebuilding their pumps themselves without problems. I hope someone else with chime in here and put me straight if I am wrong.

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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 11:52 AM
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bosch parts dealer + pump rebuilds

Call Gary at diesel fuel injection in bay city Mich he will sell you parts i have gotten many bosch parts from him. 989-892-0557 Gary is not really into performance he is a bosch rebuilder but with a phone call and a credit card he will send me out the parts i request . He does the pump work for bridgeway-cummins of saginaw and many others.
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 02:32 PM
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So what you are saying is that all of the FAQ is invalid?

-Steve
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Palerider
The pump needs to flow equally to each line. The First generation rotary pump does not have the abilaty or provisions to adjust individual line pressure to each injector as does the P7100. So, Bosch has a low flow standard and a high flow standard for our pump. Both are from a tech sheet that the techs use when setting up the pump on the bench testing the flow rate of the pump. Messing with the pump after that point can be a futal effort and provide little to no change, except smoke and the pump sometimes sticks or causes more problems than it does good. Most want a quick fix and more power, but you cant change the pumps ability to flow without taking the pump off and only a tech with proper equipment (expensive) can set it. For your own sanity on this subject and for the sake of arguement, call Sam at the 800# and hell explain it.
Most cannot rebuild their own pump. Theirs a lot more in their than seals and gaskets. The tolerances must be set and there are upgrade parts (springs, rollers, bearings, etc....) to install for todays low grade diesel.
The second part I agree with you on, but you're way off base on the first part. The flow specs he's talking about are what sets the power that the engine will deliver. Messing with the pump from that point can provide huge gains - I've seen 1st gens make 240 RWHP with nothing but pump tweaks and an HX-35.
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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You can get pump seal kits from a Bosch pump shop. Look in your local yellow pages for shops with names like "Diesel Fuel injection" or "Fuel Injection Service" or "Yourtown Fuel Injection".

Or call Scheid Diesel.
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 05:31 PM
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Any Bosch shop, fuel injection shop, if you are lucky to have one locally, can get your the VE seal kit Bosch part number DGK-121. Scheid Diesel, www.scheiddiesel.com can send you one as well.
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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Yup, DGK-121. They had it right on the shelf and even sold it to me
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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Thanks RattlerBob, I ordered them from Gary.

I am not rebuilding my pump. I am replacing one seal. It will be replaced in process of the 3200 RPM spring install, which many do themselves. I don't have a major problem of any sort. I would be stupid to have a shop do this work. It would be a waste of money. I think most everyone here will agree that slight pump tweaking can gain a good bit of power and economy. Any fuel injection system isn't even optimized for economy from the factory due to noise and emissions standards. If I was building a dyno queen or a drag racer, I would take your advise and have a reputable shop setup my pump, but I am not. I am like most every other person on this site that likes to tinker and get a little bit more out of their vehicle. Again, I am not turning any screws to FIX anything. I am doing what many others here are doing. Maybe we should start a thread on "pump tuning, leave it to the pros"

Thanks to everyone else for the seal info.

-Steve
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 07:13 PM
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No problem Steve did you tell him the rattler sent ya
Don't let some of the worry warts get to you the pump experts are not just hatched out overnight us experts have to play a little to learn
Wanna + bgilbert and a few others of us on her know a little bit about a ve pump.
Just take your time, don't horse it,keep everything ultra clean no fuzzy rags and if you are not sure read or ask
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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If it helps, this thread has some images of a broken-down VE complete with part numbers ~ https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...d.php?t=132934
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