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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 04:56 PM
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Question turbo boost chatter

Hi all, new to this forum. Plenty of useful information here.
I have a 1989 3/4 ton 4x4 5 speed manual trans. I recently bought.
The truck runs good but when its under a good load in 5th gear and the boost hits 15 the gauge chatters and I hear the turbo chatter as well. When I'm just blowing out the cob webs so to speak, the boost hits 35 with no problems. Any idea's?
I would like to pull a horse trailer but I'm a little apprehensive due to the boost issue.
Thanks!
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:01 PM
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I would inspect the turbo for play in the bearings.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:04 PM
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upgrade the turbo..g.d.s has the set up for you..
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:18 PM
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Would love to upgrade but the cash flow is not cooperating
I will check the bearings, thanks!
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 05:43 PM
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its because you have no mwe slot any truck with excessive fuel or in your case a load on it will do it. like recamended above a gds kit will solve the problem cause there kits have mwe slots. or an hx35 will be a good step up from your baby h1c and they also have a mwe slot.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 06:51 PM
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Sorry, you lost me with the GDS kit and mws slot. I'm new at this . What do the abbreviations stand for
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ben sides
Hi all, new to this forum. Plenty of useful information here.
I have a 1989 3/4 ton 4x4 5 speed manual trans. I recently bought.
The truck runs good but when its under a good load in 5th gear and the boost hits 15 the gauge chatters and I hear the turbo chatter as well. When I'm just blowing out the cob webs so to speak, the boost hits 35 with no problems. Any idea's?
I would like to pull a horse trailer but I'm a little apprehensive due to the boost issue.
Thanks!
Little read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastega...e_chatter_myth
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 07:43 PM
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Sorry, you lost me with the GDS kit and mws slot. I'm new at this . What do the abbreviations stand for
oh sorry, gds stands for gillet diesel performance and i forget what mwe stands for
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 08:20 PM
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Map Width Enhancement I believe. I've got the GDS kit on my truck, been pretty happy with it especially for the price.
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 09:26 PM
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straight from the wiki link:

There is confusion in the automotive world about so called "wastegate chatter" or "turbo flutter". A noise created on lifting off the throttle in a turbocharged car, commonly described as a chipmunk or a rattlesnake, is often stated incorrectly as being a result of the turbo's wastegate closing.

The noise is in fact the air compressed by the turbo passing back through the compressor wheel of the turbo after the airflow is abruptly halted by the throttle plate closing, called compressor surge. However, in some cases, i.e. where the throttle plate doesn't open fast enough or is set up to only react to high boost, some chatter will remain. Surge can occur on diesels when the turbo is attempting to pressurize the air at a higher pressure ratio than the compressor wheel can flow at a given speed. Diesel engines have no use for a blow off valve as they do not have a throttle plate.

The chatter noise is very noticeable on World Rally Cars, where anti-lag is used.

A compressor stall like this can cause excess stress and wear on the turbo's shaft or bearings under higher load applications of the turbo (around 15 psi (1.0 bar) and greater depending on the trim and flow rate of the compressor side).

Actual wastegate flutter occurs instead under partial boost conditions such as partial throttle near the boost threshold. It sounds like FftFftFft not ShuShuShu and is caused by the rapid opening and closing of the wastegate at boost levels near the spring pressure. It is commonly heard more clearly and may be more prominent on cars with modified intake silencers, up-pipes, and or downpipes, and is not harmful.
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 06:09 PM
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"Surge can occur on diesels when the turbo is attempting to pressurize the air at a higher pressure ratio than the compressor wheel can flow at a given speed"

That's exactly what you have going on. The fix is what several people have said, a compressor housing with a MWE slot.
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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i'd guess that would be the same as spinning the turbo beyond it's MAP?
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo486
i'd guess that would be the same as spinning the turbo beyond it's MAP?
yup
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Old Nov 5, 2009 | 04:33 AM
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Thanks everyone! I really appreciate all the helpful advice. I'll make the upgrade when I can.
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