kdp...oh my god
07-29-2007, 09:56 AM
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kdp...oh my god
i believe my kdp has relocated to my crankcase or wherever it goes when is comes loose...the truck is leaking oil badly from front of motor while running...slight grinding whining noise coming from motor 
...any ideas on what it'll cost to fix?...please give best and worst case scenarios...thanks....
...any ideas on what it'll cost to fix?...please give best and worst case scenarios...thanks....
07-29-2007, 10:04 AM
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stop running it , then it will be a lot cheaper , if any lose parts get in the gears , they can do damage to cam , valves , pistons ect.
If its still running , then a good timing cover will fix .
If its still running , then a good timing cover will fix .
07-29-2007, 10:26 AM
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Since it's still running, the cam is in one piece - if that's any comfort. Gonna need a new case, or the old one TIG'ed back together. Cam gear and IP gear have to come off to R&R case. Hopefully the whining is just the KDP or case bolt laying on a gear.
Or just go the least expensive route and fix the timing case.
07-29-2007, 02:24 PM
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My mechanic just called...apparently the timing case is cracked...broken...so that'll have to be replaced...no word on whether or not anything else is destroyed...he has yet to pull it into the shop...i hope nothing else happens when he cranks it to move it...any ideas on a ballpark price...just to see what im looking at...because for some reason he won't give me even an estimate...thanks for the advice fellas...
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07-29-2007, 03:25 PM
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If you know someone who's a good TIG welder, they can repair the case for you a lot cheaper than a new case.
I hate to guess how much it will cost, you are looking at a $600 parts bill for new parts. Labor rates are so different across the country it's hard to say, but the time is going to be 8-10 hours.
I hate to guess how much it will cost, you are looking at a $600 parts bill for new parts. Labor rates are so different across the country it's hard to say, but the time is going to be 8-10 hours.
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07-29-2007, 03:59 PM
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You would probably be better off to have a tow truck go down there to assist getting it inside(with the push bumper) without starting it.
So it appears this could easily be a $1000 bill to fix. I'm sure glad the PO did it on mine!
So it appears this could easily be a $1000 bill to fix. I'm sure glad the PO did it on mine!
07-29-2007, 06:28 PM
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Sorry to hear about you troubles I hope everything works out
How many cases of the KDP falling out have there been? Reason I'm asking is that I still have to do mine and I have read the instructions on how to do it but I want to know how difficult it is to do. It looks like a big job and I have an oil change coming up and I think that that is a good time to do it.
How many cases of the KDP falling out have there been? Reason I'm asking is that I still have to do mine and I have read the instructions on how to do it but I want to know how difficult it is to do. It looks like a big job and I have an oil change coming up and I think that that is a good time to do it.
07-29-2007, 08:24 PM
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How many cases of the KDP falling out have there been? Reason I'm asking is that I still have to do mine and I have read the instructions on how to do it but I want to know how difficult it is to do. It looks like a big job and I have an oil change coming up and I think that that is a good time to do it.
07-30-2007, 01:45 AM
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The job isn't technically challenging at all. Very straighforward and mechanically simple. You just have to pull the serp belt, drop a pulley or two and remove timing cover. Simple to make your own locking tab from sheetmetal, to fit under the case screw right there at the dowel pin. You'll need a new cover gasket and seal. The seal goes on dry, no oil, and comes with a slick little plastic insulation tool. I posted some pics of my home made lock tab somewhere in this forum, maybe a year ago? Simple stuff.
When I did mine I also discovered that almost all of the timing gear case bolts going into the block were loose, some less than finger tight, some finger tight, and some with maybe a couple of lbs torque on them. Pull each one, clean with alcohol and swab out the hole with a Q-tip & alcohol, then reassemble with Loc-Tite. A timing case screw falling into gears can do just as much damage.
Also a very good time to check your serpentine belt tensioner for play. I did mine when I had the front end off the truck, so I can't comment on what's involved with radiator and getting access to work....
When I did mine I also discovered that almost all of the timing gear case bolts going into the block were loose, some less than finger tight, some finger tight, and some with maybe a couple of lbs torque on them. Pull each one, clean with alcohol and swab out the hole with a Q-tip & alcohol, then reassemble with Loc-Tite. A timing case screw falling into gears can do just as much damage.
Also a very good time to check your serpentine belt tensioner for play. I did mine when I had the front end off the truck, so I can't comment on what's involved with radiator and getting access to work....
07-30-2007, 09:02 AM
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This is just another case of a destroyed engine that could have been prevented with about three hours work. Anyone with a KDP that has not been pinned, 
do it now, it can and probably will fall out at some point and if not it is cheap insurance to pin it anyway.
07-30-2007, 12:15 PM
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You haven't been around long have you? This is just another case of a destroyed engine that could have been prevented with about three hours work. Anyone with a KDP that has not been pinned, do it now, it can and probably will fall out at some point and if not it is cheap insurance to pin it anyway.
This is just another case of a destroyed engine that could have been prevented with about three hours work. Anyone with a KDP that has not been pinned, do it now, it can and probably will fall out at some point and if not it is cheap insurance to pin it anyway.