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Has anyone changed the rear axle hub retention nut/wedge to something different?

Old May 12, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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Has anyone changed the rear axle hub retention nut/wedge to something different?

Anyone change to something different for spindle nut retention on the rear axle? Isn't our setup a Dodge only deal? If something else would be better, what else would fit? Opinions on setups? Thanks
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Old May 12, 2008 | 10:13 PM
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The wedge is readily available at NAPA, what's wrong with it? The nut is readily available too. Although both are listed for Ford's lol.
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Old May 12, 2008 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bgilbert
The wedge is readily available at NAPA, what's wrong with it? The nut is readily available too. Although both are listed for Ford's lol.
Hi Bill. Maybe something reusable, I've heard of the Dodge stuff backing off too, I've heard it mentioned a few times on different forums.
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Old May 12, 2008 | 11:39 PM
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My experiences with the single big nut and little lock-clip-wedge is that the nut is soft, thus allowing the bearing to eat it's way into the nut, thus loosening the bearing adjustment; this has happened on every single nut/wedge axle I have ever owned, Ford or Dodge.

Why do you think they have them hanging for sale in every parts store ??; and, they ain't cheap.



A far better solution is the good old tried and true double-nut/folding-tab lock-washer set-up.

I have several trucks and trailers with the double-nut system and have never ever had one wear out or fail in any way.


A 2-9/16 hex-nut goes against the bearing, then the folding-tab lock-washer, then the second hex-nut, then an "ear" of the lock-washer is bent over one of the hexes of the outer nut, thus locking it from backing off.


Here you go :


http://quad4x4.com/Dodge%20Rear%20Axle.htm


The good stuff is the top picture; the stock/original mess is the second picture.

Hope this helps.
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Old May 13, 2008 | 06:06 PM
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Thanks for the link Bear Killer, do you happen to know what OEM app. that stuff came on? I can probably source it locally if I know that.
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Old May 13, 2008 | 08:18 PM
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My mid to late 70 Power Wagon's have that system. A new 2 9/16" socket designed for the single nut won't fit them. A worn out one borrowed from a friend that's been beat onto that style nut in the past worked though.
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Old May 13, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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BearKiller is right on, I noticed the wear on the nut the last time I had that PIA appart. I am also interested in the double nut bend over lock washer, no bend over price hopefully...
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Old May 13, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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Holy Biscuits bend over pricing... There has to be a Dodge or Ford p/n out there, I'll get on the phone with my Napa guy before I bend that far for Quad4x4's kit...
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Old May 13, 2008 | 10:41 PM
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Their pricing is about as cheap as I have found anywhere; and believe me, I have been looking.


I have those on several late-sixties to mid-eighties Dana-equipped rears and trailer-axles.

Most Dana 60s have the same thread/size and the world used to be full of them.


I bought a bunch of brand-new military surplus 1978 Dodge Dana-60 rears and they had them.

I have a couple that have them, but the thread-size is odd and will not interchange with most of the others, even though the wheel-bearings are the same = JLM104949.


As far as I know, Ford and Dodge Dana-70s share the same spindle thread, along with most of the Dana-60s.


The son's W-250 has them on the front wheels.



I have a 2-9/16 spanner that so far has fit every hex-adjuster I have came across in a 3/4 or ton sized truck, be it Ford, Chevy, or Dodge; at least I think it's 2-9/16.
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Old May 14, 2008 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bookshelf
Anyone change to something different for spindle nut retention on the rear axle? Isn't our setup a Dodge only deal? If something else would be better, what else would fit? Opinions on setups? Thanks
Yes, Nylock nut and a tab washer. What I pulled out of mine belongs in Ripley's Believe It or Not. The wedge was replced by a nail
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Old May 14, 2008 | 10:45 PM
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I think the spindle threads are the same for the front and rear. A set of Dana 60 front nuts should work. I haven't tried it yet though.
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Old May 14, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Boatnik
Yes, Nylock nut and a tab washer.

Are you meaning that you put a folding-tab lock-washer behind the factory nylock nut ??

Thanks.
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