Who makes one for our 1stGens? Been eyeing the DTT billet FP for years. Certain vendors say for 91 on up that plate can be used. Ordered it. On its way. Just out of curiousity I call DTT, and they say it will fit only 92 on up, provided the 727 tranny is not used, due to clearance issues.
Has anyone on here installed a DTT billet FP on their 1stgen? Who else makes one that's a for sure fit? Tell me about this clearance issue!
Last question: is the 8 hole clamp ring designed to be some sort of shim, or a washer for the FP to crankcase bolts?

 

The ring is use like a washer for the FP to the bolts.

 

Why don't you post a diagram / attachment of it, just like I did in his other 400 threads about the same issue ? This way, he can ignore the answers in writing, and in pictures from you as well..


https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...2/#post3300316

 

What?? What is that all about?? The reason I am even questioning this is because a DTT rep is telling me I don't need the "spacer". I understood what you told me about the orientation of the "clamp" ring! My question is of trying to find out it's true use... A large washer for the bolts or a spacer, as the rep claims it is.
This place is starting to ....

 

Easy there friend. You have to admit that oft repeated questions and worrying every topic to death might eventually frazzle a nerve somewhere.

The ring will distribute bolt head pressure a bit. If the plate manufacturer sends one, they deem it necessary. If they don't, they have ample metal in the plate itself. Just go with the flow. If in doubt, use it. Just be sure you don't short change thread engagement by doing so.

 

this place is starting to .....


To what ? To annoy you ? All anybody (everyone) here does is help you, so that statement is pretty much something you should rethink . pardner....

Do we bust your chops ? Yeah ?

Please don't tell me your skin is too thin to have your chops.... busted.

So,


How did the topic of "spacer" even come up with the DTT representative ? There are no spacers in the diagram I provided. If you zoom in on htat attachment they didn't use a spacer, they used the bolt head reinforcing plate, also known as item 19 on the diagram with the words "PLATE: crankshaft bolt backing" .

It's true use is what J martin and I and others have said that it's a plate which distributes the "clamping force" of the bolt heads further outwards, increasing the overall perimeter pressure of the bolts head.

Why is this recommended ? They used a very thin OEM flexplate, which had the tendency to "flex and crack", so as usual, Chrysler put a bandaid on it, instead of redesigning the center web of the flex plate to be thicker, which would ultimately remove the recommended additional "bandaid" plate.



So why did a DTT rep tell you anything about a spacer, or was this something you started with them ?

 

No thin skin here. I may seem to ask repeated questions, for reasons of precise clarification, as I understand how words and meanings differ from one person to the next. My post on the metal noise brought on comments of paranoia, when indeed it turned out to be a flexplate issue. Meanwhile I am still troubleshooting and repairing wheel bearings and such. Some of the comments back to me shows obvious signs that my original descriptions were not even read thoroughly, because I am dang sure in being very detailed in my questions, to avoid being bagged on like some of you do to others (just for simply not putting their year of truck in, spelling, etc). My posts are long winded, yes I know, cause I am very detailed in my descriptions to avoid confusion. I only ask cause I don't know...not to see my typing on the internet. Not a troll.

I have been back and forth with DTT thru emails. The rep said, "do not install the spacer, throw it in the garbage". As it is I am questioning her knowledge due to the comment on by her on the 727's and 1st Gens, that the flexplate will fit only on non 727 1st Gens. Spacer? What? Cummins calls it a clamp ring, and I do understand its purpose. Already purchased the part, as no Flexplate aftermarket vendor will provide that as part of the flexplate purchase. She called it a spacer. Did I put that in her head? Of course not. Therefore, I am inquiring about this "spacer thing-a-ma-jig for sole CLARIFICATION that, a Clamping ring didn't also serve as a spacer.

Seems as though some of the folks here forgot where they came from; I've read a lot of old posts in searches on here, and I've seen the questions asked by these folks.

Sure I've asked for help, and if you re read my posts, there are thank you's all over. I've assisted others thru PM's and phone calls, too. You'll never see me criticize anyone for asking about an oil change, or because he's posting about his Chevy on a Dodge forum. Never.
Often wondered why some of the "old DTR folks" from the early 2000's don't appear here anymore...Hmmm. Sure hate to see this become like that Ford site I used to frequent

 

Well, based upon your long winded, extremely detailed post above, I'll just say that I hope the forum Genie in the bottle rises up and grants you all that you seek, and prevents your worrisome predictions of forums past, that nothing goes bad during your repeat performance of your removal and replacement of your rides flexplate, and years of joyous driving experiences in your Dodge go by before you even think about ever lying on your nicely healed back pulling that driveline back out again.

In the meantime, I'll take my curmudgeon like attitude back to my caveman lair and count my thousands of precious bottle caps I've been squirreling away over the last 49 years..

Tootles.....

 

Everyone just relax and have a beer

 

It's my understanding that:

With a couple of bolts, attach the rebuilt trans, including torque converter, to the rear of the engine. Before bolting the converter to the flex-plate, gently pry the converter back and forth on the input-shaft noting how far the converter moves. It's my understanding that you want at least 1/16th of an inch clearance. If you don't have that minimum clearance, you need a spacer to go between the bell-housing and engine.

One can be found at PATC. Not far from the top of the page, part number: #BHS, It's 1/8th inch thick.

PATC 46RE 47RE 48RE Transmissions, Performance Transmission A518, 518

 

i literally LOL'd. top 5 best responses i've ever read on a forum. well done sir.