1st Gen. Ram - All Topics Discussion for all Dodge Rams prior to 1994. This includes engine, drivetrain and non-drivetrain discussions. Anything prior to 1994 should go in here.

Banjo Bolt Explained

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 1, 2006 | 10:35 AM
  #1  
cootz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
From: Eckville, Alberta
Banjo Bolt Explained

I've read some threads on the banjo bolt, but am still a little confused. Would someone be able to explain what the banjo bolt is, what it does, where it's found (pics would help). I understand there are actually two different banjo bolts? I've also read that a guy should carry a spare just in case?

Thanks in advance.
Reply
Old Dec 1, 2006 | 10:52 AM
  #2  
Chrisreyn's Avatar
DTR's Night Watchman & Poet Laureate
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,156
Likes: 1
From: Lyndon KS
A "bano bolt" is a hollow bolt with passages in it for fluid to travel thru. Generaly used in fuel, and hydraulic systems to attach lines to tanks, injectors etc.
There are several styles and uses, but the places on our trucks you will find them are teh fuel injectors, IP and fuel filter housing.

this is a banjo bolt for a brake system:


The holes you see near the bolt head would be inside a hollow "bolt hole" in the line, allowing fluid to flow thru it.
Reply
Old Dec 1, 2006 | 11:21 AM
  #3  
KartRacer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
From: SW Michigan


This is an example of what the whole banjo fitting looks like.

Uses on our truck that I know of are for fuel delivery and boost pressure to the injection pump.

The ones you see advertised are the larger ones for fuel delivery.

-Steve
Reply
Old Dec 1, 2006 | 06:42 PM
  #4  
wannadiesel's Avatar
Adminstrator-ess
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,594
Likes: 19
From: New Holland, PA
I can't think of a reason to carry a spare banjo bolt.

There are 3 banjo bolts on our trucks, and a couple parts that look like banjo bolts but aren't.

Two of the banjo bolts are on the fuel filter head, these are what you would replace with high flow ones if you wanted to do that (not a bad idea).

The third is smaller and connects the AFC cover to the boost tube.

On the back of the pump there's a fitting that looks like a banjo bolt, but it's actually the overflow restriction for the pump.

On the front of the pump is the pressure control valve, looks like a really weird banjo bolt.
Reply
Old Dec 1, 2006 | 10:29 PM
  #5  
Chrisreyn's Avatar
DTR's Night Watchman & Poet Laureate
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,156
Likes: 1
From: Lyndon KS
those arent Banjo bolts on the fuel lines at teh injetors?
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 12:21 AM
  #6  
tomd's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 434
Likes: 4
From: Boulder Creek Calif
When bleeding the air or filling the new fuel filter using the lift pump isnt that a banjo nut that I use to bleed air out?



If I were to have an extra banjo nut I would have one for this nut in case I over tightened it... and very well may need one since I noticed something strange about the last time I used it.


Reply
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 12:30 AM
  #7  
1-5-3-6-2-4's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,142
Likes: 0
From: Okotoks AB
I'd be willing to bet you have banjos at the front brake calipers as well.........
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 04:14 AM
  #8  
Jim Lane's Avatar
Administrator
20 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,084
Likes: 235
From: Southern California
It is a good idea to have an assortment of the copper washers used to seal the banjo bolts.

They are easy to loose when you remove the bolts and being made out of copper they cannot be located or retrieved with a magnet.

And if you were to loose just ONE the entire system would be rendered inoperative.

And it will always be on a weekend.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 10:00 AM
  #9  
JimmieD's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 697
Likes: 0
Where might one get such an assortment of copper washers? Commonly available? Thanks...
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 01:31 PM
  #10  
cootz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
From: Eckville, Alberta
When ordering the banjo bolts from Geno's, are we wanting the short or long bolts for our application on the filter header? Also, just to confirm, the banjo bolt on the filter discharge (the one that we use to bleed with) is the one that a person would use for a fuel pressure gauge tie-in right? The other banjo bolt that would require replacing with a "high flow" banjo would be the one on the inlet to the IP?

All replys have been helpful and informative. Thanks for the input guys.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 02:18 PM
  #11  
Ace's Avatar
Ace
Banned
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,421
Likes: 1
From: Colorado
Don't know about the long or short part, but the rest you got right. Athough, I kinda doubt the high-flow requirement comes into play until you are flowing alot of fuel putting down big numbers. Exactly how much maybe the big boys can tell.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 02:45 PM
  #12  
G1625S's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 4,767
Likes: 5
From: port crane, NY
The 'tapped' banjo on the filter block that we use for bleeding purposes has metric thread, so plumbing in NPT stuff for a FP gauge is out. The high-flow banjos for 24v's fit our trucks too. Get one that is tapped--it will be NPT. Toss the old ones in the toolbox or behind the seat for emergencys.
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 04:10 PM
  #13  
wannadiesel's Avatar
Adminstrator-ess
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,594
Likes: 19
From: New Holland, PA
Originally Posted by Chrisreyn
those arent Banjo bolts on the fuel lines at teh injetors?
Yep, you're right. I missed those 6 little devils.
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2009 | 07:01 PM
  #14  
ironhead's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Help

Originally Posted by wannadiesel
I can't think of a reason to carry a spare banjo bolt.

There are 3 banjo bolts on our trucks, and a couple parts that look like banjo bolts but aren't.

Two of the banjo bolts are on the fuel filter head, these are what you would replace with high flow ones if you wanted to do that (not a bad idea).

The third is smaller and connects the AFC cover to the boost tube.

On the back of the pump there's a fitting that looks like a banjo bolt, but it's actually the overflow restriction for the pump.

On the front of the pump is the pressure control valve, looks like a really weird banjo bolt.

Where can I get the one for the AFC cover I broke mine and need one fast?
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2009 | 07:18 PM
  #15  
wannadiesel's Avatar
Adminstrator-ess
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,594
Likes: 19
From: New Holland, PA
Cummins can get it for you. You can also replace the whole thing with Parker line (plastic tubing like truck air brake systems use) and NPT adapters. The head is 1/8" NPT, and a 1/16" NPT will work OK in the pump even though it's metric.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:13 PM.