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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 08:22 PM
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241 or 241HD...

i know the basic differences between the two; the HD has a PTO, and a one piece tail shaft, extra bearing cause of the PTO...etc..

wondering if they are direct swaps for one another....driveshafts, input shafts, etc..i don't know if the shafts are different lengths...i know the standard 241 has a LONG tail shaft, where i don't think the HS does..


truck is a 96 12V with a NV4500..

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J
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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 12:15 AM
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I recently swapped out my 1996 47RE automatic w/241 DHD T/case for a 98 NV4500 w/241 DLD T/case. The inputs are not interchangeable, the DLD and DHD are different lengths. The tailshafts are interchangeable between the two. I had to swap them out in order to keep my speed sensor. Very easy swap. I had to use the front drive shaft from the 98 for proper length. Since my donor truck was a regular cab and mine is an extended cab, I had to rework my rear shaft. I do believe that if both trucks were extended cabs, the rear shaft from the donor truck would have been the one to use due to length.

I have it on very good authority that a DLD from a CTD is also a heavy duty version of the 241.

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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 07:55 AM
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wow...

i think you just TOTALLY confused me.... both trucks are long bed ext-cabs....so the front shaft length is different??
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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 02:53 PM
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Good to go...

i answered my own question, by taking a small risk (i'm very busy, and the truck was 50 min away...so time IS money...but it's all set now...) I was surprised EVERYTHING was the same...

unless:

there were TWO versions on the 241HD, one WITH a PTO and one WITHOUT, (was looking at the Haynes manual, and it mentions something...or;

when one case was rebuilt they used the HD tail shaft and sections, and NOT the PTO planetary housing

although one case did read 241DHD, and the other read 241DLD...

but the driveshafts were the same length, and the slip-yoke was the same...(i measured before it all came out )

thanks guys!!!

J
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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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there are atleast 4 versions of the 241dhd that i know of. it all depends on if it came out of an auto or manual and if it has a speedo gear or not
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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by halerazor
there are atleast 4 versions of the 241dhd that i know of. it all depends on if it came out of an auto or manual and if it has a speedo gear or not
i would have figured that the auto and manuals are different...every 4wd vehicle i've ever owned (although most have been jeeps...) had a different t-case (input shaft wise) depending on if it was manual or auto...

speedo gear meaning speedo cable/speed sensor?

do all 241HD's have a PTO output?

thanks again!

J
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 03:21 PM
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speedo sensor some years used it and some didn't. i don't know alot about them just what van haisley told me. he told me that the t-case is the weak link in our trucks
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 09:55 PM
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hmm..

Is there a suggested T-case to swap to? besides an Atlas or something...

a NP205 would be nice...but i'm not sure if they are DS drop or not...

J
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