ccoop769

Yes, this is the wrong forum but i like you guys.

I just got approved for an f650 with cummins motor and 2500 allyison tranny crew cab chassis cab for 55k. Truck is brand new.

I plan on getting a 6 car carrier to go with this for my biz.

Question is will the cummins pull all that weight cause my cummins with my 3 car feels like a dawg sometimes. Is it the same 6.7 motor?? Should I find a upgraded tranny cause I believe the 2500 is the small heavy dutty tranny?? What gear ratio should I get?? Any other advice?? Should I spend the extra dough and get the cat motor????

SHOULD I GET A DIFFERENT TRUCK??? I was looking at the freightshakers m2 but they are more expensive by 15k and would not finance me since i have only been in biz for 6 months. Even with a used rig. So i guess i might be stuck with an f650. Please any help will be nice

haulin-rv

Same engine. Hauling a 6 car its going to be a dog. I would look International and spec a DT530. The DT is a torque monster and also can be rebuilt in frame for less than half the cost of a reman cat or cummins. Plus with International you have access to 24hr commercial shops. Also the cab is wide enough to have a bed in the back and claim sleeper berth time. Think if you go Ford within a few months you may regret that 55k purchase.

Cummins610

I hate to burst you bubble even more but its probably less power but they can bump in up without hurting the emissions

This is what a cummins dealer increase it to (your output it probably 220HP now)

http://www.everytime.cummins.com/eve...um_ratings.jsp

ccoop769

What if I jump to the cat motor?????? and/or taller gears. I really would like a freightshaker m2 but I cant get financed due to stricter qualifications.

Anybody else have experience with financing and medium duty trucks???? I cant get a personal or biz loan. So it would have to be a dealer/bank auto loan???

CrazyCooter

That F650's gonna be weak!

100 less HP and 7500lbs extra wieght. Has higher GVW and GCVW, but power wise it will be way worse than the Dodge.....and ride like hell.

Why not just go class 8 and be done with it? Pick up a used 2-5 yr. old unit like a T-200o, 670, or 770.

Price would be about the same.

Cummins610

A Cat C7 is 300HP 860ftlbs all the way up, I drove a pete with a allison/6.7L C&C the power sucked,The power is delayed(put to floor wait,wait,wait oh there it woke up) and 60MPH is a long way away.

ccoop769

So I should get a cat motor?? I found some nice trucks at daytona beach for dealer avg from 70-80k. 55k is for base, these 1's have air brakes, cat, ally 3000 and stuff. Also guys, i have 373, these trucks got 43?-53? gears. That helps alot.

Now remember, my credit isnt that good and getting big rigs is very strict qualifications where as a f650 is just an regualar auto loan. Even used big rigs have same qualifictaions as new 1's. Thats why im stuck with an f650 or topkick and those topkicks are ugly.

So instead of saying an f650 is too small, please tell me how to build 1 or another way of getting a bigger truck.

PS To get a bigger truck, you have to be in biz for 2 years. THEY ARE REALLY STRICT NOW. I called up 3 different dealers of big rigs and all told me NO WAY with only a few months into biz. My credit isnt that great either and money down isnt much. No more then 5k.

So please tell me what to do.

PsS. odds are i might be selling my ram!!! I dont think I am gonna have enough capital to hire someone and do everything else. Plus with my 6 car, i can make extra dough for about 6 months, then get another 650 and 6xer and then hire someone else. Thats my plans, and hopefully I dont go broke in process. like brokers deciding to pay 10 cents per miles then

haulin-rv

Unfortunately the cat motor is not able to do an in frame rebuild either. I had a topkick with 3116 that had 700k on it when I sold it and it ran fine, but I only hauled 2-3 cars with it and it was a dog. If I am not mistaken, the 650 is not rated for the load of a 6 car anyway, you would be pulling what 30-34k and thats a bunch for that rig.

haulin-rv

This
is what you need.

ccoop769

Thats nice!!!!! I will try capital 1, you come across anything else even without a trailer????? this is all new to me so i dont know what good, what bad, what will do it

ccoop769

#1 question?? If you had 70k to blow, would you get that setup??

CrazyCooter

No way.

Too much money for what you get. Med. duty trucks are overpriced and overrated.

If I ever have a SERIOUS need for anything more that the 3500, I'll step right into a class 8. I think in the long run, it will pay me back.

Lots of you guys haul for a living, so I'll be interested to see what you think.

Cummins610

Looks like A nice set-up,what motor is that (international or Mercedes),I went throught this a month ago when I needed a new truck with a 24 foot cube van box. I drove a Peterbuilt with a 5.9L a KW with a Kenworth with a 6.7L and a Sterling with a 6.7L & a HINO with a 8.3L. The 5.9 was more powerful with 4.44 that the 6.7L was with 4.88 gears. I spent my 70,000 on the HINO with the Inline 6-8.0L common rail engine,it has a performance setting and an econome setting(by flick of a switch) It is only rated to 230HP but man is it powerful,the cummins was nowhere close in power. If you never looked at a HINO lately definitly consider 1.

HINO WEBSITE

ccoop769

Well the this link is an class 7 which is a heavy duty, and that really got me interesetd with trailer and capital 1 and low miles. im not talking about the f650 now. Any other ideas.

BTW capital 1 will have a application online done in morning. I like this alot more then f650 although me and wife like 650 looks better

ccoop769

Detroit i think it said or DT