I want to be sure before I spend that money on the Water/Meth that it is worth it. What is the best kit? I was looking at the Stage 2 Kit w/Hobbs. It looks like that would be the best kit for my application, because of the stage 4 EDM's that are going in the truck. Has anyone used it and not liked it? I've only heard good things about it, but I just wanted to see what y'all thought. Thanks in advance.

Eric

 

Who injectors are you going to? What is a "JR Mach 4 EDM"

Don~

 

They are the JR Adkins stage 4 injectors.

Eric

 

Aren't the stage 4 injectors that JR produces the ones that put nearly 600 to the ground without a fueling module??

I was looking at his stage 2's, and they were considerably bigger then my current 100 HP extrude hones.

EGaskamp, Don is the only one who calls his line of injectors the "Mach Series"


Justin

 

Back to the original question - YES!

I suggest spending the extra $$ for the regular Stage 2 kit with the progressive controller, it's a really smooth setup. The Hobbs just dumps the water/meth in at a preset boost level (kinda like automatic nitrous), the progressive controller ramps it up slowly which is much nicer on the street. It's hard to tell the progressive system is working until you turn it off.

 

IMHO, I agree with wannadiesel on spending the extra $$$ for the progressive controller ...... especially if you are planning on using the h20/meth to control egt's when towing. I have an h20/meth system (not the Snow system) with a Hobbs switch. When my system comes on (@ 20psi or so), it gives a real kick in the pants ...... nothing smooth about it. It's a lot of fun feeling the hobbs kick in when doing a WOT run, but I'm not sure I would like that "kick" when towing.

 

You don't say why you want one. For added power...with meth...it's excellent!
I use 2 stage H2O injection only...to control EGT's at WOT. Works well...but may not work the way you would expect. At less than WOT (towing for example) your egt's will peak and than drop for a sustained lower EGT reading of 200-300*.
At WOT, with injection starting at 20 psi...ramping up to full at 30 psi...(and pump on full pressure) I get much slower rate of increase on my EGT's, but they still hit 1500+. Can't stay into it long enough to get the EGT drop that towers see. I use to hit 1500* for 7-8 sec in a 1/4 mile run. With injection, it does not climb to 1500* till the last 2-3 sec.
If I back off the throttle, just a bit, as it approaches 1500*...I get the same 200-300* drop that towers talk about. Can go back to WOT and temp stay down!
So, how happy you'll be, depends on what you are expecting the injection system to do.

Just bgt 5 gal methanol but have not experimented with it yet to see if I get a different reaction.

The Snow's Kit is a quality product. Have no expirience with other brands.

RJ

 

If you're looking to controll EGTs, Snow is working on a new, in cab, variable stage 3 controller which works on boost and EGTs. Hooks up to a k type thermocuple, has an adjustment ****, and bar graphs for ETGs, boost, and pump drive %. Got one in my hands, but haven't had time to install it yet.

Snow's stage 2 variable controller is very good.

The biggest problem with water and towing is where to put the water tank. You need at least 5 gallons for towing. At full pump pressure the windshield washer tank goes empty in under 2 minutes.

My experience in driving with water is exactly as RJ says. I use -30* washer fluid, which works better than straight water.

 

Interesting, but can't see the added value over straight boost control...for me anyway. I guess for towing the EGT probe would help reduce comsumption?

RJ

 

I'm looking at water/meth for the cooling and also the power. I don't tow a whole lot but do carry around a 4K boat every now and then. A lot over the summer. Didn't mean to upset anyone with the "Mach" word.
Eric

 

No problem on the Mach word from me. I was just confused

Don~

 

Guys, Not to be an, but where exactly did Eric use the word MAch in his post?

 

What could happen if the water injection stuck on or something like that? Does it have any bad long term effects? I have thought about this for my truck, but i just cant get comfortable with the idea of water bieng run through my engine. Also, how can it not crack pistons and things when they are 1500 degrees and the water hits them? The water not cold enough to matter?

Eric

 

Take a look here.

http://turbodieselregistry.com/forum...d.php?t=109260

and here

http://turbodieselregistry.com/forum...d.php?t=122760

 

Eric had it listed in his signature earlier, but changed it when he realized the mistake. Its not surprising with so many choices in performance products these days. Mistakes happen.



Don~