Kinda similar to the attitude in the country right before the Titanic sank.

 

When a manufacturer has a problem they have to investigate it. They were having problems with what apeared to be the floor mats bunching up under the peddles of their cars.
Hence why DODGE, FORD, CHEVY, TOYOTA, NISSAN and all the other car manufacturers posted safety notices about such an incident occuriing.
where I worked we received a few notices based on this situation. We where suppose to remove floor mats from all our pickups to avoid this problem. We did not because we all thought it was a joke.
Fast forward to a few days ago Toyota suspends production of cars affected untill problem is fixed. Has recalled hundreds of thousands of cars.
All for what a electronic controlled driver imput fuel pedal.
Most of these fuel pedals on all brands of vehicles come from the same factories so be lucky DODGE didnt have this problem because all they would have done is offered a voluntary recall.

The fact that now they know exactly what happend they are fixing it fully says something about their integrity as a supplier.

(Lets just imagine that after they replace all these gas pedels and they still have a problem with floor mats who is going to step up and say wow they spent x amount of money and it did not fix the problem, just something to think about).

 

Luckily ... my Toy isn't one in the recall batch ... but I feel very reassured that they're genuine in attending to it.

This integrity and the quality of the vehicles was why I chose Toyota this time.

Cheers,
PISTOL

 

I thought the same thing at first. That all changed when my MIL's 2007 Avalon did it though. The brakes got smoked and it finally came loose. Her car has no ignition or key to turn off. It senses a FOB on your person and then allows you to push a button to start it. She says she was pushing the button like mad but it did not shut off. Then I started thinking about it and what if it had shut down. No power steering or brakes and to an older woman who is pretty small in size that could be hazardous just the same. Toyota dealer told her it was the floor mat which I didn't believe. I thought it had something more to do with the firmware in the ECU for the fly by wire so we had them flash it to the newest program and it hasn't happened since just by coincidence it turns out though because it's a mechanical problem. She has an appointment set to get the fix done. She still likes Toyo and says she is going to buy another or a Lexus.

 

"Specified major emission control components
are covered for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles."

been that way since 1996


I had a set changed at75k and 7 years old at no cost

source http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt

 

I guess they've changed the limits since I was cranking wrenches in '81.

This is a 1995 Toyota......I'm a little past 8 years.

 

this started with 1996 OBD-II computer cars


1995 well than you'r SOL

 

RE: staarma

Sorry about that situation happening to a family member.

That said, I also take issue with these "keyless" cars. At least with a traditional ignition switch, you at least have the option of manually turning the car off. It's why I will NOT buy a car or truck that does not have a traditional Key & ignition switch device.

 

Ummmmm,.....yeah.
Parts procured (at employee discounted rates), installed by me (saving $600 more in labor), and it's already back on the road,...... and just in time for the 24" inches of snow they're forecasting for this weekend.

 

Dad's Camry has the push button start and it says or the dealer told him if you want the engine to shut down in an emergancy, push and hold the start/stop button. Do not keep pushing it because nothing will happen. When the engine stops and you keep a steady push on the brake peddle you will have assist. Most vehicles that has vacuum assisted boosters you will get 2 or 3 pumps out of them before your on your own boost. I just don't see how this is such an issue.
I remember as a kid travelling with my brother in a 1963 GMC 1 ton loaded to the max with crushed stone. We were creasting a hill, and the old truck had a 261 straight six if I remember, well he had that thing planted firmly to the floor so we could get alond the road. Then we started down a long hill on a secondary road and the peddle stayed on the floor. He told me to get down on the floor and pull the peddle to get it to release, which it did. That was scary because we had 5 or 6 ton on that truck and the old worn out truck didn't have much for brakes. That is something to get you excited..

 

and now they are recalling the prius because the ABS is too sensitive....

 

My dad drove a 78 Chevy 3500 with a 454 and a ig horse trailer loaded with hay. Peddle stuck wide open. ended up being something in the carb. Mom said that going 100mph in that truck was scary. It got there in a hurry tho. Dad tried to un stick the peddle but couldnt. It went from 60 to 100 in that minute.

 

I think one thing you all defending Toyota far aren't realizing is this isn't a problem that "just" cropped up nor the impact this has.

This goes all the way back to 2004 when it started with the prius. It became big in 2007 again (link below) when it was known in multiple models, toyota tried to blame it on floormats.. and read the consumer affair complaints, consumers even told toyota they didn't have that floormat, it wasnt stuck, or cycling the engine resolved it.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...rius_mats.html

Many deaths, many accidents. Millions and millions lost by stakeholders.

The halt in production is getting torn apart by stakeholders. That was a helluva bad choice to stop and address their own inventory before resolving the customers.

For many years people have been brushed off. Sad enough, it had to go so far as to take the life of an officer to get enough public attention to do something about it. They have no choice but to release PR's making them look like they are saints now, for they have been sinning the last five years.

The sad part is this metal shim they are dishing out will NOT be the permanent fix. There is even further evidence arising that unintended accelleration is an electronics fault, separate of the sticking mechanical part of the pedal.

Time will tell, but Toyota is going to take a huge beating. Sure their cars are darn reliable, but it's the ethics of ignoring and denying the problem so long despite the accidents and deaths.

 

Toyota is already under fire for this. The floormat recalls over the years have been expensive, and didn't fix the problem. The current gas pedal shim recall is going to be outrageously expensive. But they still have to worry about all of the people who are coming fourth saying hey theres nothing mechanical about it, the accellerator was in the up position when my car ran away.

Easily the biggest recall of all time when said and done. Ford's bridgestone "exploder" gots nothing on runaway toyotas.

 

Well Said!