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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 03:54 PM
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Rusty,

The Mossberg 590 has the reliabilty over the 870. I Love the Remington, but the 590 is really nice too. Although I have never been a big Mossberg fan. I really like the 590. The feeding mechanism is better on the Berg.

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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 04:03 PM
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Don,

I have that covered. My wife has her Remington 870 20 gauge on the wall right next to my 12 gauge. Odds are, if one doesn't work, the other one will!!

Seriously, I know the 870 isn't the best shotgun in the world, but it serves my purposes as a home defense weapon. I've never had any problems with jamming to date - with my luck, though, Murphy (of Murphy's Law fame) will probably be there along with the perps.

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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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I've got a Remington 870 12 gauge that has been flawless. I paid less than $300 for it and I've probably shot 500-800 shells through it shooting skeet and trap. It has ALWAYS fired and has never jammed. When at home it's loaded with two shells of #6 birdshot followed by 2 shells of 00 buckshot.
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Hoss
..at home it's loaded with two shells of #6 birdshot followed by 2 shells of 00 buckshot.
When you're huntin' perps, you don't have to put the plug in

Keep my 1187 Super Mag loaded with 00 buckshot and have the slugs ready to go in if needed.

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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Hoss
I've got a Remington 870 12 gauge that has been flawless. I paid less than $300 for it and I've probably shot 500-800 shells through it shooting skeet and trap. It has ALWAYS fired and has never jammed. When at home it's loaded with two shells of #6 birdshot followed by 2 shells of 00 buckshot.

Yep, me too. They are great. The 590 will whip it though in overal reliability. My 870's have never jammed.

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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 06:41 PM
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My Mossey 500 has never hiccuped while feeding and always goes boom when it's supposed to.

Plug?.....that mustuv fell out.
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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The Mossy has a shell lifter that loads the shells straight into the chamber. The Remington lifter loads at an angle. The Mossy also has shell stops that are operator removable when detail stripping the weapon and are replaceable by the operator anywhere without needing any tools. The Remington has shell stops that can be replaced, but are riveted in the weapon. They must be drilled out and new ones installed by a special tool made just for this purpose. This is generally a gunsmith operation.

The Mossy has an ambidextrious safety on top of the receiver that is very handy for anyone. The 590 Mossy is a pound lighter than a Remington and holds 9 shells out of the box. The current Remington has a magazine tube follower made of plastic. These can break and jam the weapon. This can be easily and cheaply fixed by replacing the plastic follower with one from either Choate or Scattergun Technologies. They are orange and green respectively. These are both highly visible and have an elongated "tail" to prevent kinking of the magazine spring. These replacement parts are recommended for all Remingtons.

The Mossy has a cheesy plastic safety. It needs to be replaced with a good metal one IMO.

If you are going to custom build a Rem, you have a vast amount of choices for aftermarket "bombs" for them.

Never had a Remington or a Mossy fail. I did have a shell stop fail on an old Winchester and it would jamb all the time. Finally got it fixed and it is really the best bird hunting shotgun I have ever had.

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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by hotdram
When you're huntin' perps, you don't have to put the plug in
Exactly!! It may be two birdshot and three buckshot. I can't remember if the mag holds 4 or 5 shells.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Don M
The Mossy has a shell lifter that loads the shells straight into the chamber. The Remington lifter loads at an angle. The Mossy also has shell stops that are operator removable when detail stripping the weapon and are replaceable by the operator anywhere without needing any tools. The Remington has shell stops that can be replaced, but are riveted in the weapon. They must be drilled out and new ones installed by a special tool made just for this purpose. This is generally a gunsmith operation.

The Mossy has an ambidextrious safety on top of the receiver that is very handy for anyone. The 590 Mossy is a pound lighter than a Remington and holds 9 shells out of the box. The current Remington has a magazine tube follower made of plastic. These can break and jam the weapon. This can be easily and cheaply fixed by replacing the plastic follower with one from either Choate or Scattergun Technologies. They are orange and green respectively. These are both highly visible and have an elongated "tail" to prevent kinking of the magazine spring. These replacement parts are recommended for all Remingtons.

The Mossy has a cheesy plastic safety. It needs to be replaced with a good metal one IMO.

If you are going to custom build a Rem, you have a vast amount of choices for aftermarket "bombs" for them.

Never had a Remington or a Mossy fail. I did have a shell stop fail on an old Winchester and it would jamb all the time. Finally got it fixed and it is really the best bird hunting shotgun I have ever had.

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I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "shell stops", but if you're talking about the plug then you're wrong. The Remington plug comes out very easily with no special tools. Somehow I think you're talking about something else though (I'm not a big shotgun person).

Anyway....I don't doubt the reliability of either a Remington or a Mossberg (I have both). However, if I were REALLY concerned about a shotgun failing when I needed it then I'd go invest in a good Benelli. Besides...the shotgun is just the backup gun for my Glock.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 09:52 AM
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The shell stops are what hold the shells in the tube. They look like little ***** at the bottom or back/rear of the tube. When they wear, the shells try and eject from the tube before their time. Causing jams. That Winchester I have drove me nuts till I got it patched up.

The military tried all the manufacturers of shotguns and chose the Mossberg 590.

I hear ya, I love my new little Glock 36. Shoots good!

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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 10:14 AM
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Learn something new every day. For what my Remington 870 cost me, when it wears out and starts having problems I'll just chunk it and buy a new one. Like I said...pretty much all it gets used for is trap, skeet and sporting clays...and I'm not serious enough about those to invest in a really nice shotgun. I go 5-6 times a year and shoot about 150 shells each time...so not even 1000 shots a year. I've had this little Remington for a couple of years now and it's still doing just fine. It's used and abused.

I don't know the model number, but I have a little Mossberg .410 pump that my parents bought me when I was a kid. It's a really nice shooting gun. I intend for that to be my son's first shotgun.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 10:54 AM
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I've never shot skeet so I'm just curious, but wouldn't your should be darn sore after 150 shells a day??
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by tool
I've never shot skeet so I'm just curious, but wouldn't your should be darn sore after 150 shells a day??
Depends on the loads you are shooting (light target loads aren't bad) and the gun you are shooting. My Rem 1187 has a gas discharge that reduces a lot of recoil. Most I've ever shot in one day with it is about 150 rounds. I have the Super Mag, so I have to use heavier loads (heavier than light target loads) to get it to cycle. I usually use Heavy Dove Loads or Texas Dove Loads. I have never felt sore in the arms or shoulder after putting that many rounds through it.

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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 11:07 AM
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I've never shot skeet so I'm just curious, but wouldn't your should be darn sore after 150 shells a day??
Yes...and it leaves a nice bruise. That's why I only go 5-6 times a year. It's still fun though.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 11:11 AM
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O.K I gotcha.

Guess we never had use for that light of a laod around the farm and what have you???

I'm just use to big buck shot and slugs, the Remington pump or Winchester break action single shot. You would probably be crippled after 150 big slugs.

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