In Utah you can get arrested for refusing to sign a ticket.
That is where this happened, the driver is from Utah, he should know this. He basically refused to be cuffed/arrested
, so I think the cop is in the clear. Also in the video the driver kept his hand near his pocket, how does the cop know what he has in there? Gun, knife, cell phone, pack of gum? Actually I think both handled the situation wrong, cops should be trained to handle things like that in a better way. When a cop tells you to do something, do it and shut up! They aren't your friend in that situation, do as he says and slug it out in court later.
Signing a ticket is not admitting guilt.

 

I got a "Don't Tase Me 'Bro" bumper sticker from Bill O' Reilly. It is mounted on my camper window. I am "taser exempt" from now on.

 

I have not heard of people dying from getting tazed... not saying I don't believe, it just makes me wonder. I've been tazed a few times... glad I'm not dead...

 

There was one here recently:

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1107/473743.html

 

And the local one I was referring to:
http://www.abc2news.com/news/local/s...0-5551b7078fa2

 

Madhat,

It was National news, in Canuckastan anyway. Some Mounties that were afraid of getting physical killed a Polish immigrant in the Vancouver airport. You can watch the home video on Liveleak. Wouldn't recommend it but its educational concerning Taser use. There were no less than four LEOs there, that didn't even lay a hand until they tased then they jumped on the deceased back and neck then killed him. ???? The lawmen I know from a different time would have handled it different, the level of resistance determined how much force was applied.

 

Not sure what is so hard about signing the ticket and going to court the next week and arguing the ticket in front of the judge if you really believe you don't deserve it.....

 

Oh, if you have a flexible job (or can justify taking off the time). It is TOTALLY worth it. Heck, even if you know you deserve it, but have even some kind of excuse it's worth it.

 

The day off work to argue about a ticket beats getting tazered and going to jail for being an idiot...

 

With 33 years in law enforcement I can tell you that this cop broke every safety rule in the book. The way he approached the vehicle as if he had no concern for what or who was in it. He stood broad chested with the drivers window. He even leaves the guy laying on the ground after he cuffs him and walks off allowing the guy to get up for more action if he wanted. His hands were cuffed, not his feet. The officer also seemed to have the communication skills of a monkey. I have had people tell me before that they were not going to sign the ticket. I politely told them the consequences if they didn't and most signed. I do agree that it became a safety situation for the officer as the guy was walking away and kept his hand near his pocket. With what little I know of the situation I feel it shouldn't have gone that far in the first place.

 

Well said, great input to the thread.

 

Is that real

Man that cop got some big

 

This happens all the time. There are a lot of radar units out there that can detect your speed same direction from the front or the back. That's not an unusual thing to have happen.

Having said that, I believe that this Trooper could have used a bit more tact in the way he dealt with the person. The guy was a jerk, yes. There are things you can do though as an LEO to avoid these types of situations. Does it always work? No. BUT, respect and attitude go a long way. I have no problem with some give and take if it means I don't have to fight for my life in the ditch. For instance, if a guy wants to know his speed, then that's fine. I have no issue with telling him. He's going to see it on the citation anyways. Every time I write one, I explain it thoroughly and give them an opportunity to sign. If they don't want to sign or have an attitude about wanting to "read" it while I stand on the side of the road waiting for a car to hit me, I will mark it refused to sign and drive off. They are not obligated to sign in this state, and I'm not going to stick around waiting for them to do so while risking my life for a simple signature. I believe the "sign this or go to jail" law is ridiculous. Signed or not, the person is still required to either pay the fine or go to court, period.

I just don't believe this Trooper was very tactful and his officer safety wasn't every good either. You NEVER stop looking at the violator vehicle when you're going back to your own car. He put himself at risk and the violator.

Your mouth can be your best friend and your worst enemy. This time, it was the Troopers AND the violator's worst enemy. The situation could have been avoided with some tact and by setting aside some pride. Always be nice until it's time not to be nice. Although I think the Trooper was legal in his action, I DONT think he was very smart. I agree that once I place someone under arrest, they are NOT going to walk back to their car. No way, no how. It's not going to happen. That is the perfect time for them to retrieve a weapon or something else.

 

From the video I think it was the 4th RCMP officer pinning his neck to the ground that killed him

 

I agree on those safety observations, plus he left the guy vulnerable to traffic flow too long. As far as telling him his speed, nothing says they have to give you any information prior to asking for your license. I'm not saying it was not impolite, but it opens up arguementive behavior before you even know who your dealing with. They are all trained to "get the I.D. first". I'm more inclined to think the driver was borderline, agressive. Did anybody notice those brakelights? I would've had him out of the vehicle for our discussion a lot sooner, to get him out from behind the wheel. It's just speculation on my part, but if that WAS a "pace" from behind on the speed, the officer probably tried to wave him over prior to makeing the type of stop most would be use to. With the drivers evidence of denial, he may have ignored the direction. Again, speculation, but that happens quite a bit. No signatures up here, so not familiar with that aspect, but tickets get tossed on the ground, then followed up with a littering ticket. I would mail it to relieve the situation, unless the guy peeled out, then he was gonna spend the night for driving reckless. But I agree. With all that is shown on that video, the officer comes across on the rude side of the fence.