Remington model 700 or 7??
Remington model 700 or 7??
I am wanting to buy my wife a .22-250 for christmas. I have a .300 winmag in the Remington Model 700 BDL, and I like it.
I want to buy her a .22-250, I was thinking of changing up a little, and trying the Model 7.
Does anyone have a Remington Model 7 in any caliber? If so, what are your thouhgts on it opposed to the 700?
Thanks!
I want to buy her a .22-250, I was thinking of changing up a little, and trying the Model 7.
Does anyone have a Remington Model 7 in any caliber? If so, what are your thouhgts on it opposed to the 700?
Thanks!
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Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
Sorry, I'm a Winchester guy. I like the Mauser style action. Ruger makes a nice one too. Don't care for their auto pistols so much though.
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Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
Go with the 700. You'll get a much stiffer action and heavier barrel. The .22-250 doesn't like short barrels. It will shoot well in a short barrel but with the velocity drop, ~125fps per inch, you'll be right back in the .223/5.56mm category. Also the muzzle blast from a short tube is uncomfortable.
I've got a #7 contour 28 inch on mine and even after several thousand rounds, it still shoots less than 3/4 inch at a hundred.
I'm not saying that the Model 7 isn't a good rifle. The action is more than adequate for the short small base rounds.
In short, either is good. Just depends on whether you want a light short rifle or one that's longer and heavier.
Bruce
I've got a #7 contour 28 inch on mine and even after several thousand rounds, it still shoots less than 3/4 inch at a hundred.
I'm not saying that the Model 7 isn't a good rifle. The action is more than adequate for the short small base rounds.
In short, either is good. Just depends on whether you want a light short rifle or one that's longer and heavier.
Bruce
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
I didn't think they made a Model 7 in 22-250 ???
What are your plans for the rifle? If you are going to scope it, I would buy a bdl without sights on it.
I have a Remington 700VLS in 22-250 w/ a 6.5-20 Leupold on it. It's a tack driver. If you are going to shoot prarie dogs etc... I would definately get a heavy barreled gun as the 250 heats em up pretty fast. I usually shoot mine till you can't touch the barrell anymore, then shoot the back up gun.
What are your plans for the rifle? If you are going to scope it, I would buy a bdl without sights on it.
I have a Remington 700VLS in 22-250 w/ a 6.5-20 Leupold on it. It's a tack driver. If you are going to shoot prarie dogs etc... I would definately get a heavy barreled gun as the 250 heats em up pretty fast. I usually shoot mine till you can't touch the barrell anymore, then shoot the back up gun.
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
Yes, Mauser action is a big plus. Time proven to be reliable and durable. That's why it's considered the "action to get" by shooting enthusiasts. Not knocking the Remingtons, they are known for their excellent accuracy. I would suggest you consider stainless steel if offerred. Best thing I did was switching to stainless and a composite stock. I realized it's a tool, not a decoration. I had a Browning that I was to worried about getting "nicked up". Turned out to be a problem rifle anyways, traded it in for a Ruger and have been happy ever since.
I am a Ruger long gun man, but the Winchester is a good one since they went back to the original Model 70 action. I can't complain about the accuracy of the ruger also. I have owned two (M-77, then the M-77 mark II). Both have impressive accuracy.
I think it's a ford, dodge, chevy thing. Personal preference.
22-250? Have you considered a .257 roberts? I purchased one of the last 250 savage's made by Ruger for my wife. No recoil difference noticed versus the 22-250 (same case just different diameter bullet). I would reccomend the 250 savage (250-3000) to anyone. Does more than it should with a very mild recoil. Problem is the round isn't all that popular any more. But I have a feeling it will be back again. I like the slightly larger caliber for whitetail hunting. But then again, if the bullet is put in the right place, it doesn't much matter
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Just remember a proper break in of the rifle is critical to accurracy, regardless of which one you buy. And always clean the bore of a new rifle before any shots are fired. Good luck, Kevin
I am a Ruger long gun man, but the Winchester is a good one since they went back to the original Model 70 action. I can't complain about the accuracy of the ruger also. I have owned two (M-77, then the M-77 mark II). Both have impressive accuracy.
I think it's a ford, dodge, chevy thing. Personal preference.
22-250? Have you considered a .257 roberts? I purchased one of the last 250 savage's made by Ruger for my wife. No recoil difference noticed versus the 22-250 (same case just different diameter bullet). I would reccomend the 250 savage (250-3000) to anyone. Does more than it should with a very mild recoil. Problem is the round isn't all that popular any more. But I have a feeling it will be back again. I like the slightly larger caliber for whitetail hunting. But then again, if the bullet is put in the right place, it doesn't much matter
.Just remember a proper break in of the rifle is critical to accurracy, regardless of which one you buy. And always clean the bore of a new rifle before any shots are fired. Good luck, Kevin
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
[quote author=Spark Chaser link=board=10;threadid=22648;start=0#msg211933 date=1069356228]
I didn't think they made a Model 7 in 22-250 ???
What are your plans for the rifle? If you are going to scope it, I would buy a bdl without sights on it.
I have a Remington 700VLS in 22-250 w/ a 6.5-20 Leupold on it. It's a tack driver. If you are going to shoot prarie dogs etc... I would definately get a heavy barreled gun as the 250 heats em up pretty fast. I usually shoot mine till you can't touch the barrell anymore, then shoot the back up gun.
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This will be "her" gun. I dont want to give her a heavy barreled rifle becuase she doesnt like them. My dad has a .220 swift with the varmint barrel, and she thinks its too heavy.
she wont be doing any continuous shooting as you describe. This gun will be for hogs and deer. and yes, remington does make a .22-250 in the model 7.
then only reason i was thinking of the model 7 was that it would be lighter for her, and if we have children, they will be able to handle it when they come of age.
I think im gonna go with the Model 700 BDL. with the stainless barrel, and laminate stock.
thanks for the input.
I didn't think they made a Model 7 in 22-250 ???
What are your plans for the rifle? If you are going to scope it, I would buy a bdl without sights on it.
I have a Remington 700VLS in 22-250 w/ a 6.5-20 Leupold on it. It's a tack driver. If you are going to shoot prarie dogs etc... I would definately get a heavy barreled gun as the 250 heats em up pretty fast. I usually shoot mine till you can't touch the barrell anymore, then shoot the back up gun.
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This will be "her" gun. I dont want to give her a heavy barreled rifle becuase she doesnt like them. My dad has a .220 swift with the varmint barrel, and she thinks its too heavy.
she wont be doing any continuous shooting as you describe. This gun will be for hogs and deer. and yes, remington does make a .22-250 in the model 7.
then only reason i was thinking of the model 7 was that it would be lighter for her, and if we have children, they will be able to handle it when they come of age.
I think im gonna go with the Model 700 BDL. with the stainless barrel, and laminate stock.
thanks for the input.
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
[quote author=kd460 link=board=10;threadid=22648;start=0#msg211937 date=1069356332]
Have you considered a .257 roberts? [/quote]
No I havent. I am not familiar with it. The main reason for the .22-250 is I can go into any store anywhere and buy bullets for it.
And just like you said, I am not worried about knock down power, because I know where to aim.
BTW, What is involved in breaking in a new rifle?
Have you considered a .257 roberts? [/quote]
No I havent. I am not familiar with it. The main reason for the .22-250 is I can go into any store anywhere and buy bullets for it.
And just like you said, I am not worried about knock down power, because I know where to aim.
BTW, What is involved in breaking in a new rifle?
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Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
Have you considered a .243 for her? Bullets are readily available for them also, recoil is very light and it has alot more energy than a 22-250. Just curious.
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
Yes, I have considered the .243. For some reason im just not interested in it. I've got my mind set on .22-250 for some reason.
I have my mind made up on the caliber. I just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience between the 700 & 7.
I have my mind made up on the caliber. I just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience between the 700 & 7.
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
I shoot the .257 Roberts Ruger M77 and your're right, you can't find squat for rounds.
I think you are smart for going with a more common round. I haven't seen a deer in Texas that couldn't be taken down with your choice of caliber. Good bullet placement is all that is necessary. I'd go with a Ruger over ther Remington but I'd look at the price difference then decide from there, both good gun manufactures.
Enjoy your shooting..
-CM
I think you are smart for going with a more common round. I haven't seen a deer in Texas that couldn't be taken down with your choice of caliber. Good bullet placement is all that is necessary. I'd go with a Ruger over ther Remington but I'd look at the price difference then decide from there, both good gun manufactures.
Enjoy your shooting..
-CM
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
[quote author=cmckinney link=board=10;threadid=22648;start=0#msg211968 date=1069359184]
I shoot the .257 Roberts Ruger M77 and your're right, you can't find squat for rounds.
I think you are smart for going with a more common round. I haven't seen a deer in Texas that couldn't be taken down with your choice of caliber. Good bullet placement is all that is necessary. I'd go with a Ruger over ther Remington but I'd look at the price difference then decide from there, both good gun manufactures.
Enjoy your shooting..
-CM
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i was told that when turning thier barrels out, that Ruger uses one bit per 10 barrels, and Remington uses 1 bit per 5 barrels. Have you heard of this? or is it even relevant information? I have family and friends who have been very satisfied with ruger, and remington.
thanks for your input!
Phillip
I shoot the .257 Roberts Ruger M77 and your're right, you can't find squat for rounds.
I think you are smart for going with a more common round. I haven't seen a deer in Texas that couldn't be taken down with your choice of caliber. Good bullet placement is all that is necessary. I'd go with a Ruger over ther Remington but I'd look at the price difference then decide from there, both good gun manufactures.
Enjoy your shooting..
-CM
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i was told that when turning thier barrels out, that Ruger uses one bit per 10 barrels, and Remington uses 1 bit per 5 barrels. Have you heard of this? or is it even relevant information? I have family and friends who have been very satisfied with ruger, and remington.
thanks for your input!
Phillip
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
[quote author=Palmetto_kid link=board=10;threadid=22648;start=0#msg211939 date=1069356693]
[quote author=Spark Chaser link=board=10;threadid=22648;start=0#msg211933 date=1069356228]
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she wont be doing any continuous shooting as you describe. This gun will be for hogs and deer.[/quote]
Whoa, did I miss something here? A lifetime ago I used to shoot a 22 Hornet and .224 Weatherby Magnum for small critters. The Weatherby was made by Sauer, which in my book was the best mfgr at that time. Even tho I had it scoped and sighted for three hundred yard kills, I'd never have thought of using it for deer. It's a through and through round, no penetration at close range.
As I discovered several western states won't allow .22 calibers for deer hunting, which is what the Hornet and Weatherby are, so I had to shelve my precious Sauer and go for the standard in European weaponry, the 6.5mm.
Personally I'd leave the .22/250 for varmints and look for a slightly heavier round, without additional rifle weight.
That old 6.5 has taken it's share of elk, deer and moose and sits proudly in my gun cabinet at home, alongside the Hornet and Weatherby. All useful tools in hands of an experienced specialist.
[quote author=Spark Chaser link=board=10;threadid=22648;start=0#msg211933 date=1069356228]
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she wont be doing any continuous shooting as you describe. This gun will be for hogs and deer.[/quote]
Whoa, did I miss something here? A lifetime ago I used to shoot a 22 Hornet and .224 Weatherby Magnum for small critters. The Weatherby was made by Sauer, which in my book was the best mfgr at that time. Even tho I had it scoped and sighted for three hundred yard kills, I'd never have thought of using it for deer. It's a through and through round, no penetration at close range.
As I discovered several western states won't allow .22 calibers for deer hunting, which is what the Hornet and Weatherby are, so I had to shelve my precious Sauer and go for the standard in European weaponry, the 6.5mm.
Personally I'd leave the .22/250 for varmints and look for a slightly heavier round, without additional rifle weight.
That old 6.5 has taken it's share of elk, deer and moose and sits proudly in my gun cabinet at home, alongside the Hornet and Weatherby. All useful tools in hands of an experienced specialist.
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
Direct from the Texas Parks and Wildlife handbook:
Game animals and game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, EXCEPT:
"white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with rimfire ammunition of any caliber. "
So I would infer from this and the rest of the Texas regulations that his gun will be legal for hunting in Texas. Plus with this gun he has an awesome varmit gun. He kills 2 birds with one stone. Give your wife a gun that makes her happy and yourself a varmit rifle. All smiles as far as I can see.
-CM
Game animals and game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, EXCEPT:
"white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with rimfire ammunition of any caliber. "
So I would infer from this and the rest of the Texas regulations that his gun will be legal for hunting in Texas. Plus with this gun he has an awesome varmit gun. He kills 2 birds with one stone. Give your wife a gun that makes her happy and yourself a varmit rifle. All smiles as far as I can see.
-CM
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
[quote author=cmckinney link=board=10;threadid=22648;start=0#msg212053 date=1069372838]
white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with rimfire ammunition of any caliber. [/quote]
Yeah, .22 LR just makes 'em angry. ;D
white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with rimfire ammunition of any caliber. [/quote]
Yeah, .22 LR just makes 'em angry. ;D
Re:Remington model 700 or 7??
Kid,
As far as break in goes, clean gun barrel thoroughly b4 shooting. Then fire 3 rounds. Clean barrel thoroughly again and then swab with copper out (defouling chemical). fire 3 rounds and re-clean then copper out again. Repeat process until there is no sign of copper fouling when swabbing.
Gun should be broke in and by this time, & the scope properly dialed in to boot.
Good luck and happy shooting!!!
Gary
As far as break in goes, clean gun barrel thoroughly b4 shooting. Then fire 3 rounds. Clean barrel thoroughly again and then swab with copper out (defouling chemical). fire 3 rounds and re-clean then copper out again. Repeat process until there is no sign of copper fouling when swabbing.
Gun should be broke in and by this time, & the scope properly dialed in to boot.
Good luck and happy shooting!!!
Gary



