Polititions
Originally posted by Barry Smith
Well thought out well writin'
Haulin your right the only way to do a flat tax is to make it a sales tax.
People talk about illegal immigrents not paying taxes that would do it.
Well thought out well writin'
Haulin your right the only way to do a flat tax is to make it a sales tax.
People talk about illegal immigrents not paying taxes that would do it.
rangerst,
Thank you very much for your "Free speech". Here is mine, you are passionate and thoughtful, but you are also
I find it hard to belive that people who are given the chance to live in this country imperfect as it is continue to whine about change. I have a secret that I want to let you in on...........nothing will ever, ever be the same! Change is our only constant and understanding this is the only way to guide your canoe up this creek.
You are angry and I can understand why, a great many injustices take place in this world and you are right to fight them but give me a break with the revolution
! How does the saying go "If you want to save the world, save yourself". Maybe, just maybe you have it in you to realise that traditional farms, hand forging, steam engines, hunting with a spear, and knocking women over the heads with clubs have all given way to change. Now don't get me wrong I don't think all change is good but the people driving these changes are us!! We put these people in office, behind the bench, on the planning boards, they are your neighbors and family.
Heck you might even help out with the problem get into public office and your can "strong arm" them to see things your way.......................
Thank you very much for your "Free speech". Here is mine, you are passionate and thoughtful, but you are also
I find it hard to belive that people who are given the chance to live in this country imperfect as it is continue to whine about change. I have a secret that I want to let you in on...........nothing will ever, ever be the same! Change is our only constant and understanding this is the only way to guide your canoe up this creek.You are angry and I can understand why, a great many injustices take place in this world and you are right to fight them but give me a break with the revolution
! How does the saying go "If you want to save the world, save yourself". Maybe, just maybe you have it in you to realise that traditional farms, hand forging, steam engines, hunting with a spear, and knocking women over the heads with clubs have all given way to change. Now don't get me wrong I don't think all change is good but the people driving these changes are us!! We put these people in office, behind the bench, on the planning boards, they are your neighbors and family.
Heck you might even help out with the problem get into public office and your can "strong arm" them to see things your way.......................
They are actually decided upon in secret meetings. These meetings are very exclusive and select. They are quite ingeniously disgised as dinner parties, BBQ's and rants in local bars about the "Sorry state of things".
I usually do my best to stay out of these political posts, but recently I came across a parable that defines the state of the union incredibly well. Just hold on through it; it's from a science fiction by Douglas Adams.
"I came in peace," the giant robot said. "Take me to your Lizard."
Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this.
"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford. "Nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On the robot's world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur Dent, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approxiamates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But, why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in."
"What?"
"Some people say the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them. They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."
The passage is a bit abridged, but I thought it hit the situation in the United States on the head. I hope it makes sense to anybody but me, now that I typed it all and such.
"I came in peace," the giant robot said. "Take me to your Lizard."
Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this.
"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford. "Nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On the robot's world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur Dent, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approxiamates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But, why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in."
"What?"
"Some people say the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them. They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."
The passage is a bit abridged, but I thought it hit the situation in the United States on the head. I hope it makes sense to anybody but me, now that I typed it all and such.
Originally posted by Begle1
"So," said Arthur, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approxiamates to the government they want."
"So," said Arthur, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approxiamates to the government they want."
Reminds me that I need to read those Hitchhiker's Guide books again.
Tengu, thank you for the invite.Seeing how we agree that change is inevitable and even neccessary, we may have had a harmonious time of it. unfortunatly I'm afraid I won't be attending under the circumstances.
Circumstances are;
you're offering 2 specials for dinner, which suggest I have free-
dom of choise,
you invite me to vote for one, which implies I can get what I
want and should be happy about that. [not winey,right?]
you didn't ask me what I liked, you want to feed me only what
you were offering,
the menu was already decided,offering no real choice!
Maybe,just maybe you'll get the message here?
change the perception of the lizard, key word change.
I've been in the midst of the political arena and in my opinion it can't get fixed from within, there is to much money. Politicians won't fix politics!
A new vehical for governing is neccessary.A CTD for restoring representation of a free and principaled society to America. Budgets, taxes, CIVIL defence, social services, health care, crime, etc. all make up the load. I've made plenty of mistakes and don't pretend to have all the specs on the right or best vehicle to carry the load. I do think in designing that vehicle I believe we need to get outside of the current political box to be able to see a new perspective, I know I had to.
It's like ;
while the frog is on his lilly [the pad] in the midst of a swarming hatch of
flies, he may often fail to see thru the deception of his good fortune,
that he is, in fact, about to go over the edge!
So Tengu, here's your requested break, no r v l t n, but a whole lot of change.
And from what you showed me by way of your invitation to dinner, you probably aren't changing me!
Meanwhile, what the heck, pass the meat, potatos, and tofu. But I'd like to substitute slivered ginger root instead of the salad if you don't mind.
Better yet, I'm having the United States Army as my guest for 4 days in June. Why don't you visit me at my place and feel free to volenteer others who might be "inlisted" for your "inside job". I appologize that the meal was planned prior to your being invited to join the troops, but should you have any issues conserning swallowing or digesting anything offered , I'll be sure to do my best to find resolve on your behalf.
lol.....sty
Circumstances are;
you're offering 2 specials for dinner, which suggest I have free-
dom of choise,
you invite me to vote for one, which implies I can get what I
want and should be happy about that. [not winey,right?]
you didn't ask me what I liked, you want to feed me only what
you were offering,
the menu was already decided,offering no real choice!
Maybe,just maybe you'll get the message here?
change the perception of the lizard, key word change.
I've been in the midst of the political arena and in my opinion it can't get fixed from within, there is to much money. Politicians won't fix politics!
A new vehical for governing is neccessary.A CTD for restoring representation of a free and principaled society to America. Budgets, taxes, CIVIL defence, social services, health care, crime, etc. all make up the load. I've made plenty of mistakes and don't pretend to have all the specs on the right or best vehicle to carry the load. I do think in designing that vehicle I believe we need to get outside of the current political box to be able to see a new perspective, I know I had to.
It's like ;
while the frog is on his lilly [the pad] in the midst of a swarming hatch of
flies, he may often fail to see thru the deception of his good fortune,
that he is, in fact, about to go over the edge!
So Tengu, here's your requested break, no r v l t n, but a whole lot of change.
And from what you showed me by way of your invitation to dinner, you probably aren't changing me!
Meanwhile, what the heck, pass the meat, potatos, and tofu. But I'd like to substitute slivered ginger root instead of the salad if you don't mind.
Better yet, I'm having the United States Army as my guest for 4 days in June. Why don't you visit me at my place and feel free to volenteer others who might be "inlisted" for your "inside job". I appologize that the meal was planned prior to your being invited to join the troops, but should you have any issues conserning swallowing or digesting anything offered , I'll be sure to do my best to find resolve on your behalf.
lol.....sty
It's my pot and I'll stir it if I want to. If you're not careful, I'll stir your's as well!

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Fascinating reading! I agree, big changes are necessary in the US to stop your present slide into the mud hole. The questions are; how to make the change(s) and what changes need to be made to restore the US to its former (or better) position in ALL aspects.
This may or may not be related, but last night I discovered a statistic. Did you know that 96% of English in the States and the UK is taught by teachers with English as their second language? Only 4% of native English speakers teach English.
This may or may not be related, but last night I discovered a statistic. Did you know that 96% of English in the States and the UK is taught by teachers with English as their second language? Only 4% of native English speakers teach English.
Originally posted by Mexstan
and what changes need to be made to restore the US to its former (or better) position in ALL aspects.
and what changes need to be made to restore the US to its former (or better) position in ALL aspects.
Originally posted by Mexstan
This may or may not be related, but last night I discovered a statistic. Did you know that 96% of English in the States and the UK is taught by teachers with English as their second language? Only 4% of native English speakers teach English.
This may or may not be related, but last night I discovered a statistic. Did you know that 96% of English in the States and the UK is taught by teachers with English as their second language? Only 4% of native English speakers teach English.
I do agreee though, big changes need to be made.
Every English teacher that I ever had or knew was just plain American. Every teacher that I ran into from my five kids was American, Black or White, no matter but American. The only one that was Questionable was my College Prof, he was a California Hippy, maybe he does not qualify.
I personally have never seen an non-American English teacher in the New York schools, the Alabama schools, the Houston area schools.
Their career choices in college may very well have been with English as a second choice. That would be a deceiving statistic.
I personally have never seen an non-American English teacher in the New York schools, the Alabama schools, the Houston area schools.Their career choices in college may very well have been with English as a second choice. That would be a deceiving statistic.


