IF I go , and at this moment it is a big IF, it will be to Wichita, Ka.

 

Who ever wins the elections is only proof that he/her could win at the worlds champion liars festival. And contrary to popular belief we do not elect them (at least not the president) the Electoral College does. They are supposed ( keyword there) to make their decisions based on our votes but they all have their own hidden or not so hidden agenda. We do not make a hill of beans when it comes to what they do (unless its an election year). They do what is going to make them the most money for when they get out of office. The senators and governors do what they can to help out whoever will pay them the most for their campaign fund or give them the most under the table. WE DO NOT MEAN SQAT TO THEM. The last one that gave a **** was ( I know you will probably hate this but) JESSE "The Body" VENTURA. He did care more than others and they pretty much drumbed him out of office. You are either in the good ol boys club or you dont last long.

 

Wichita, huh? Boeing or Pizza Hut?

 

Close, but no banana. Will let you guys know IF it happens.

 

That is a bit of a stretch on the Electoral College deal. This only confuses things and causes a lot of people not to vote. We have a lot of problems but this jargon just causes more problems and mistrust of the system. Your vote does count but not directly, it still counts. Our system has worked for a lot of years and still works. You do a mis-service to America with that garbage.

 

Haulin' is right. It's up to the states to determine how their electors vote. Mostly they give all the state's electors to the candidate winning the popular vote in that state, but there's nothing to stop them from dividing them proportionally, etc. The states can also provide penalties for any elector that decides to "do his own thing" and cast his electoral vote for Mickey Mouse or whatever.

The last election, in fact, showed the value of the Electoral College system. Just because urban areas have lots of people doesn't necessarily mean they should set the agenda for everyone else. Without the Electoral College, though, that's pretty much exactly what would happen.

 

It is my experience that anyone who would suggest censorship of discussion of current affairs pertaining to a goveronments [polititions,regulators,representatives,public officials,political appointees,weedy office "flunkies"][local to federal]
declining ability to provide representation of the people, by the people and for the people, isn't on the same freedom page as the persecuted forefathers of this country.

Keep on whining, thank you very much!

I don't buy what's being packaged as "we are the goveronment" , at least not the "we" I see when I look around me. "We" got lots af trees to get behind and when "WE" look out from behind those barriers to oppression, it looks like "they" are the governonment!

And what is accomplished by nose to nose, e mail, letter writing or telephoning?
You get patronized, a hand shake, stroked or not stroked, and maybe in the case of some, a personal inner office contact to insure your continued "handling".I have taken the initative to arrive at solutions by contacting "our representatives"from town hall to the whitehouse to the pentagon and came away in all situations with two undeniable realities. One, a united effort is a must, I alone am no one of consiquence and singuraly futile. Two, as previously suggested by Top, the money and greed [power] behind it all is to great to overcome in hopes of restoring representation of
by the people , for the people principles. Follow the special interest money! In my opinion, there is where you will find the real "give and takers" . Follow it far enough and it will be looking back at me in the voting booth!

I don't know where it's going or where I should be going but I think a new representative body of volunteers should form, assume leadership until a restructured government can be returned to the country!

Sort of sounds like operation Iraqi freedom, could it be? ..sty

 

If your up there in October? My wife and I will be at the Paint Horse Congress in Wichita. Let us know and maybe we can get together... Srigs

 

Strong stuff, sounds like you are insinuating a revolution or rebellion. Do you have any idea of the implications? Goodness, think we have problems now

 

Hey a flat tax is a fine idea in therory. But if it happens all the things Top was talking about would be gone! Say you make the tax rate the same as someone who makes $35000 a year is paying 23%. Then take people that make $200000 /year who were paying 39% tax and lower it to the same 23%. Who is going to make up the difference? The people who make the money Do pay the taxes. Everyone knows that it's not the people making $20000 /year that are paying the taxes most of those people get that all back at the end of the year! It's the people that make enough money to pay a whole lot of taxes but not enough to afford people to hide it for them! This is America I don't think because someone has worked and made a good living should have to pay higher taxes than someone who either hasn't worked for it or who hasn't been fortunate to get the breaks to make it! You know what you call it when you start taxing people more to get everyone the same? Socialism!
I think if you make it pay the same % tax on it as everyone else then enjoy the fruits of your labor!

 

Who makes up the difference? That is the good part of a sales tax based flat tax. You buy, you pay. All the dope money, stolen money, prostitution money, yeah even the terrorist fed money, it all pays taxes. And think of it, no more income tax returnes except for those who get a rebate for being poor you know they will.

 

Call it like you see it, would peacefull assembly to discuss the formation of new government possibilities for the United States of America by a body of men and women representative of the beliefs of those people closest to them and based on dignity and the honor of serving on a rotating commitee for the benifit and proliforation of the fundamental principals of liberty and freedom, be unlawful assembly? Compared to what we have now Dixie, and the warning signs that are prevolent not just here but throughout an ever smaller global neighborhood, I find no consolation in maintaining this status to avoid deceptive implications in the pretentious security of inaction. This is how I feel and I won't appologizing
for taking a stand against what I feel is wrong.

It's wrong for a 4th generation farmer to have to bear the expense of tens of thousands of dollars in sub-division and land use engineering and legal consulting fees just to give his kids a piece of the farm upon his retirement! Our legislature shouldn't need a concencus opinion from his constituents to know it's wrong. the mail man/woman knows it's no right, but says "what are ya going to do?" in resignation. two of the farmers kids moved out of town in search of their livelyhoods. The farmer hopes the gift of land might bring them back to family roots some day and the less tax load for himself will be welcomed relief, so he pays and subdivides and gifts the land to the kids. After all the family unit, roots , family values are/were the foundation of society.

Now the kids have there on thing going on out of town but are paying the taxes and insurance and much to pops delight they are starting to talk about maybe moving back if they could afford it some day. Then apolitically motivated land deal proposes a new walmarty supercenter across the road from the farm if it can be zoned commercial. The farmers kids express their opinions against the rezoning but are told they don't have a vote since they don't live in the district any more.
No vote. no say, no control about concerns affecting their lives and the seed of taxation without representation grows a bitter root and the sweet taste of restoring the fomily unit is replaced with the bitter!

When public officials openly practice extorsion and strong arm tactics and their actions are upheld and protected by the courts as not sufficiently shocking to the senses, it's wrong and I don't have any problem identifying it. No grey area, no maybes.

Discussion forum net works like this, voting opinion polls, telephone polls and open meetings televised with call in comintary required. real people ,real involvement and real results. And when the whole country is text messaging or cell phoning or callin the toll free polling hot line and the third grade kids are
watching and listening in the classrooms, and the comunications companies are providing the networking in exchange for the commercial spots, the "revolution "will have more supporting viewers than the bud bowl on superbowl sunday!
No political science degrees and no professional politicians and no lawyers to screw it up. Let them stay in washington while the refomation is on going in maybe witchita, or LaCross orSanAntone and when the new metal is hammered out and ratified by the people, for the people,the political system as we know it will be no more , the military will abandon the political in favor of the will of the people and the colonial partisans will have no options but to agree to work toward a smooth and unified transition . After which they can join in the humble rotation of civic duty as proud servants of the reunited States of America!
Shall I go on?

May God bless all
sty

 

Well thought out well writin'


Haulin your right the only way to do a flat tax is to make it a sales tax.
People talk about illegal immigrents not paying taxes that would do it.

 

No

 

Haulin if you are still on here how is the engagement of that SBC?