WHAT FER WE NEEDIN TA SPENT UR HARD MADE MONEY ON ENLISH CLASSES?

 

rangerst,
O.K. O.k. so how do you like your sawdust.....

Seriously though, there will never be a perfect system. We may indeed need a "New veichle for governing", but the root of the will remain.....the people who run it. The success of our government although it is imperfect it is also without peer. The only thing in the way of our government getting better results from its efforts is the greed of the people involved.

Lau Tsu was reported to have said:

"To be a leader of men you must place all others before yourself"

I don't think that we have too many politicians that approach leadership in this way. Until we improve the quality of the players we this is going to be an ugly game to watch.

Oh and umm "slivered ginger root "....wasabe with that?

 

you know=S L I V E R E D ! Like cuttin jerky strips off of a ground hog only skinnier.
Best served up side with road kill white tail neck roast and beech nut
smoked hog. I prefer buck in rut necks but any will do if your a starvin
pilgrim. Poke holes between the vertebrea and shovelhead, er I
mean shove the slivers in to the bone and cook it up

neck covered in green apple wine [beverage] and slow
cooked on top of wood stove-all day. serve with crust of
bread, chards of sharp cheddar and unchilled red tomato
[jetstar]wine or ground temp. concord grape juice. Delight

smoked hog head first in a metal garbage can, lid on and
skewed down hill so grease leaks out,set in a beech wood
fire, done when hind leg pulls out of can. Dump the hog
out onto steamed lambs quarter and have at it enjoy

Items above possibly not found at certain secret rallies .....sty

 

tengu, not unlessLau Tsu was refering to the formation of battle charge

 

In theory it should work fine but you have to deal with peoples greed, their religious beliefs and people letting power go to their heads. Greed being the worst one followed closely by power.

You cannot tell me that most of the politicians are not greedy.

 

Apples and oranges, the only type of government that does not have to deal with greed and power is possibly a Royalty and a Dictatorship. But then you have no input on how things are run. We have as good as it gets for citizens choosing the leaders. Do your thing to pick the right ones if you are not satisfied. There are no better choices in government. We all need to work to make it function right. IF you can be hypnotized by all the political bull that comes across the news, it will never work. Vote for what you think is right and we can get this thing back together again.

 

65 million voted to select the new american idol and my guess is that they honestly feel the end result was exceptable based on their input [vote]
That same feeling is missing more and more with the people I am in contact with and the people they are in contact with, american society, as it relates to acceptable outcomes of input [feeling represented] on issues that affect our lives and freedom.

I,m suggesting the "picking system" can be made better, Perhaps a citizens forum networking with multi media tools that provides that satisfaction of providing "input" that is percieved as meaningful, as opposed to the current growing felling that my vote doesn't mean anything anyway, why bother
Imagine 65 million calling in their vote on a foreign policy energy issue and arriving at an informed majority group conconse and then finding out our representatives voted the other way in favor of big money interest abroad

Perhaps not, but I intuitively know with todays shrinking world and todays comunication capabilities , there is a better way of doing the business of governing, one which will unite the citizens in pride and trust of the process and that persuit is worth taking to the next level.

I don't know if there is enough motivation presently to make a begining but I suspect that" oil money" is making an opportunistic run at profits while current affairs provide the vehicle and before a change of the gaurd at election time. If the country goes into the winter heating season with these oil prices and continued occupation of Iraq, add increase in power utilities and afew things like all organized labor needing cost of living increases, and a chapter 11 budget deficit in washington, then maybe the bus to the citizens forum will have arrived!

Maybe.

I have no skill of networking, but would gladly be a worker among workers.

sty

 

We could do away with the Electoral College, as this was established when it was easier to have your district vote then have your electoral convey those votes with his vote. With our technology now it is a rather defunct apparatus to do this. It should be based solely on individuals votes. That way greed and power are leliminated from the game.


Dont get me wrong I am glad we have it as we do. I just believe we could do better by eliminating the abuses that are becoming ramant within the machine of our government.

 

want to see a big change? get more people to vote. see the response to that Amerca idol thing by using the internet to let them vote?
everyone has their own social security number, doesn't seem like it should be to difficult to let the citizens vote via the internet using thier ss number for identifacation.

 

yep, and not just voting on positions but having direct input on the issues that are important to each individule. It would be a movement that would put the people right with the concesus of the country and with that unity,pride, and hopefulness that can sustain us as a free and principled people in the challenges ahead. With that alone I see the begining of the end of insider trading in politics. The rest will come....sty

 

Sounds good in theroy. You are proposing a Democracy and history has proven that this does not work. The majority rule concept is not a good one. Our system is a republic. We elect the representatives who make the decisions for a period of time til we elect a different representative.

It sounds real inviting but majority rule does not work. With that you have a bunch of people voting on every issue that have no idea what is going on and have no understanding on what they are voting for. Want proof of that, you are proposing a Democracy, not one that is called that, but a real one. You would vote for this. You have no idea of what you are proposing.

 

AMEN to that.

Around election time the talking heads moan and groan about low voter turn out. I LOVE low voter turn out. If you don't know what you are voting for, or what the long term ramifications of the agenda of the person you are voting for will be, PLEASE stay home. Thank heaven for representative government over pure democracy.

 

Thank God for the Electoral College! If not for that we would have all the Ya Hoo's in New York and California making the decisions for those of us living in God's country. I can see Homosexual weddings in Nashville now! Ha!

If you want everyone to vote quit taking taxes out of our checks and make everyone write a check once a year! Once people see what they are really paying a year they would want accountablity. That was the smartest thing the goverment ever did was payroll deduction. It comes out every check people don't pay attention to how much it is.

 

Any rally with this as a menu really SHOULD be secret, I mean really secret, hoods and all!

And yes, most importantly in a battle charge.

 

Haulin, thats the differencs between the historical majority rule and an unformed group conscience [spelling?] . Historicaly it took a month for england to find out about when the indians had a tea party in boston at the kings expense! Today, a head is lopped of in Iraq and the world doesn't just hear about it but can see it with in hours!

The creative use of todays networking media like TDR I think could pull the people together through providing a basis for shared information . Dispelling your fear of rule by the ignorant masses! This input by the informed citizens could be used , not to replace representatives in gov. but to inform them of the will of those responding to the "forum" on any particular issue, thus enabling better representation and opening the door for accountability on behalf of the representative.

It's my opinion, and I try not to presume judgement of what others may or may not know or suppose knowledge of the path anothers moccasins have walked, that we of the USA need to go beyond the confines of education and historical knowledge. IN that reguard I unplugged the TV and avoided the news stands for over 10 years and instead listened to what people had to say in daily life both here and outside of the USA. Step out side and look in, it's a whole other picture and its not one that most folks are talking fondly about.

Who wants to be a millionaire politition? first question for 1000 dollars-what is the starting salary of the position you seek? second question for 5000 dollars-what are the job qualifications ? don't know? want to poll the audience? call a lobbyist?
Now viewers, call in your vote. based on the candidates performance, does he or she deserve to be the million dollar politition?

If you don't think the country needs attention, and I mean base level freedoms and liberties afforded by a fair and equally representative governing body, then Ok. If not , lets not just talk, let's talk about a plan of action to bring about a solution. What do ypu suggest ?

I believe it was either Patric Henry or Sam Adams who said revolution is not on the battle field but in the mind of free thinking people. the rest is just the affect there of.

PS. Tengu, I take it you won,t be attending?....sty