water...please help!!!!!
+1. I can find absolutely no explanation for major damage due to water injection. But, I can find a very easy explanation for a $20k charge: if I am dishonest, and see a guy that's real busy, and he's pulling loads for living, and he's got a new truck... why not fill my pocket by selling him 40 gal of Compression and lubricating his Optical axis.
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But the bright side is he gets a new engine, and I'd be willing to bet some compensation for time off work.
You may also want to check out car-part.com, I just saw several complete 2006 engines there for 5-8K, as well as if a 2005 325 Hp 600 would interchange, fordcummins.com has brand new ones for 7500 bucks. You could either keep your old engine for parts, or part out the good stuff on Ebay. Putting in a complete engine might just be faster and far cheaper than piecing your old one back together.
Someone please explain this if you know the answer.
It seems to me that the station is liable and not just Exxon. The station (owner) means he owns it not Exxon. He knew he had been holding water.
I would think that 6k from Exxon and 20k from the 'station' would work if you had that much time.
Does the "Exxon" driver check the tank for water upon delivery? if no then Exxon is likely going to get out of it.
Surely the station has insurance and hopefully they are not as big as Exxon/Mobil because that's where your fight is going to come from.
Take out an ad in the little Brookshire paper looking for others that fueled there. Store bulletin board. Stand on the Highway with a big sign asking for others to call in; of course you will get crooks calling trying to scam.
I bet my family knows who owns the station, we have a ranch there in Brookshire. Fortunately we get diesel delivered.
It seems to me that the station is liable and not just Exxon. The station (owner) means he owns it not Exxon. He knew he had been holding water.
I would think that 6k from Exxon and 20k from the 'station' would work if you had that much time.
Does the "Exxon" driver check the tank for water upon delivery? if no then Exxon is likely going to get out of it.
Surely the station has insurance and hopefully they are not as big as Exxon/Mobil because that's where your fight is going to come from.
Take out an ad in the little Brookshire paper looking for others that fueled there. Store bulletin board. Stand on the Highway with a big sign asking for others to call in; of course you will get crooks calling trying to scam.
I bet my family knows who owns the station, we have a ranch there in Brookshire. Fortunately we get diesel delivered.
Like most good attorneys should, they go after the biggest person/company involved. I'm sure if it goes that far, that the staion owner, exxon, the delivery company, anyone else involved may be listed in the suit. If there is anyone at fault the others will pressure and maybe even help the at fault party to settle out of court. It is almost always cheaper that way and a lot less publicity.
Someone please explain this if you know the answer.
It seems to me that the station is liable and not just Exxon. The station (owner) means he owns it not Exxon. He knew he had been holding water.
I would think that 6k from Exxon and 20k from the 'station' would work if you had that much time.
Does the "Exxon" driver check the tank for water upon delivery? if no then Exxon is likely going to get out of it.
Surely the station has insurance and hopefully they are not as big as Exxon/Mobil because that's where your fight is going to come from.
Take out an ad in the little Brookshire paper looking for others that fueled there. Store bulletin board. Stand on the Highway with a big sign asking for others to call in; of course you will get crooks calling trying to scam.
I bet my family knows who owns the station, we have a ranch there in Brookshire. Fortunately we get diesel delivered.
It seems to me that the station is liable and not just Exxon. The station (owner) means he owns it not Exxon. He knew he had been holding water.
I would think that 6k from Exxon and 20k from the 'station' would work if you had that much time.
Does the "Exxon" driver check the tank for water upon delivery? if no then Exxon is likely going to get out of it.
Surely the station has insurance and hopefully they are not as big as Exxon/Mobil because that's where your fight is going to come from.
Take out an ad in the little Brookshire paper looking for others that fueled there. Store bulletin board. Stand on the Highway with a big sign asking for others to call in; of course you will get crooks calling trying to scam.
I bet my family knows who owns the station, we have a ranch there in Brookshire. Fortunately we get diesel delivered.
i know here in toronto the gas startion attendents/owner are supposed to check there tanks for water contamination. i had a couple of bad tanks of gas from sunoco. when i confronted them about it they started freaking out and tried using every excuse that its my cars fault they check the fuel for water every day.
I was a Chrysler & (ASE) Master tech for 12 years before I changed to another line of work, I specialized in the Cummins (and electronics/trans) at the dealership where I worked. I repaired many fuel in water complaints and NEVER seen internals on an engine damaged from just H2o.. if so I bet the drop truck put gas in the diesel tanks at the fill station, I have seen that wipe a engine or two out but not water.....
Not enough to go to the Hooked J so tee'd off we go get 5gals and come back. Now this was about the time ULSD was coming out and I just put it off as the new diesel. Well it wasn't, I had just put 5gals of gas in there and found this out only after I had left. I was closer to a Wal-Mart that had diesel so I drove on. Filled it up with diesel and ran the rest of the day. Like I said this was about 80k ago now and I couldn't believe I didn't hose at least the pump up but it's got over 200k on it now and still running just fine. I consider myself extremely lucky not to have blown this engine up but like I said before these engine take allot more than you'd think they can. Next time I think it's gas I'm going to look again. :|Mark
lol. almost made that mistake once. just got the vw and forgot it was diesel. gas pump in hand than i stopped to think. wait a minute! i was too used to routine. now its the other way around.
whenever i drive a gasser i always pull into the diesel pumps.
whenever i drive a gasser i always pull into the diesel pumps.
this is the complete list of items they r replacing at dodge....keep in mind this what they want to replace me nor my attorney nor exxon has given them permmission to since we r still trying to settle..
short engine.4100
cylinder head 1500
push rod 96
lifetrs 372
cam shaft 755
oil pump 135
upper ceal kit 185
lower seal kit 215
turbo charger 1700
cranckshaft seal 25
engine coolant 38
fuel injetors 2478
injertor tubes 356
fuel rail 697
sp3 pump 1104
fuel filter 40
lift pump 200
cleaner installment 60
engine oil 28
engine oil filter 12
air filter 27
total parts cost 14889
sales tax 1228
labor 3220
fuel disposal 102
new fuel 10gal. 30
shop supplies 35
full estimate repair cost 19505
i would like to post pics but dont no how also how do u fill out sig? the pics i took show the complete damages water and everything
sorry it took so long to post been busy at work...yall might like to no that my rent vehicle is the new body style chevy with the d max and allsion and it doesnt have nuthin on the dodge.... i think it gets a tad better mileage though.. both 4x4s and 4 doors only difference is the chevy is auto and mine is stick
short engine.4100
cylinder head 1500
push rod 96
lifetrs 372
cam shaft 755
oil pump 135
upper ceal kit 185
lower seal kit 215
turbo charger 1700
cranckshaft seal 25
engine coolant 38
fuel injetors 2478
injertor tubes 356
fuel rail 697
sp3 pump 1104
fuel filter 40
lift pump 200
cleaner installment 60
engine oil 28
engine oil filter 12
air filter 27
total parts cost 14889
sales tax 1228
labor 3220
fuel disposal 102
new fuel 10gal. 30
shop supplies 35
full estimate repair cost 19505
i would like to post pics but dont no how also how do u fill out sig? the pics i took show the complete damages water and everything
sorry it took so long to post been busy at work...yall might like to no that my rent vehicle is the new body style chevy with the d max and allsion and it doesnt have nuthin on the dodge.... i think it gets a tad better mileage though.. both 4x4s and 4 doors only difference is the chevy is auto and mine is stick
oh and one other thing i had repeat had or u could say forced to keep driving the truck once i was on the interstate because i had no choice u cant just stop in the middle of a busy freeway i would have gooten hit probably... im positive the damage is worse because i had no choice but to slowly make my way off the busy interstate.. all the while the water was tearing everything up... i wish i could post pics so all the nay sayers would believe and could see the damages for themselfs.. it isnt just as easy as some of u have stated.. if i could drain something or change a part out or two i WOULD.... beleive me i would like nothing more than to have my truck back and be working out of my own vehicle again... it just isnt that easy the damages r too bad therefore i had to seek legal representation to get the matter resolved since i did nothing more than just fill up
i might also add that i wish this upon no one....thanks
i might also add that i wish this upon no one....thanks
Yikes!!!
exxon in brookshire texas...i might add since then i have been by there to take pictures and document that all pumps have been shut down and roped off so no one else can fill up... i have told my attorney this and we r going to try to find other people that have filled up here because there has got to be more than just me
ramblinNrollin:
It is easy to post pics here, so give it a go, if you can't figure it out, send me a PM and I could post them for you.
I wonder if it isn't really water that got injected into your engine. Perhaps they got a load of some other nasty stuff that might have driven your cylinder pressures up enough to cause rods and pistons to fail.....
Also, like I posted above, you may wish to consider purchasing a complete engine to replace instead of going this route.
That being said, and looking at your list: ( playing devils advocate here )
You are going to play heck getting me ( the station owner or Exxon ) to pay for such things as a new head unless you can prove a cracked head, there is no way you are going to get me to pony up for the Turbo, the Fuel rail, the pushrods, lifters, cam, oil pump, injector tubes, or air filter. Quite simply, the water did nothing to them.
Best case and you prove they ruined your cyl. head they would fight 4450 of the bill, worst case 6074 of the bill.
Not trying to ruin your day or argue here, but I smell some opportunism by a dealer.
It is easy to post pics here, so give it a go, if you can't figure it out, send me a PM and I could post them for you.
I wonder if it isn't really water that got injected into your engine. Perhaps they got a load of some other nasty stuff that might have driven your cylinder pressures up enough to cause rods and pistons to fail.....
Also, like I posted above, you may wish to consider purchasing a complete engine to replace instead of going this route.
That being said, and looking at your list: ( playing devils advocate here )
You are going to play heck getting me ( the station owner or Exxon ) to pay for such things as a new head unless you can prove a cracked head, there is no way you are going to get me to pony up for the Turbo, the Fuel rail, the pushrods, lifters, cam, oil pump, injector tubes, or air filter. Quite simply, the water did nothing to them.
Best case and you prove they ruined your cyl. head they would fight 4450 of the bill, worst case 6074 of the bill.
Not trying to ruin your day or argue here, but I smell some opportunism by a dealer.
I think the best thing to do would be to get a second opinion on his truck.
Sounds like the dealer is going for broke from the looks of that list. I to agree alot on there couldn't have been damaged by the water.
Sounds like the dealer is going for broke from the looks of that list. I to agree alot on there couldn't have been damaged by the water.
The dealer may be taking advantage but in my mind they have the fuel retailer/dealer and Exxon kinda bent over the barrel. If you have seen the damage and agree with it, then you and your attorney should continue to go for it. Any station owner that says Oh again or still having problems???or whatever he said kinda says that he knew that there was a problem therefore he eats the problem. Still find it hard to believe that injected water caused that much damage but you seem to have to proof so go for it and get made whole. As above I might push for a long block rather than having the dealer assemble the engine though. Just ahve a really bad feeling about someone assembling an engine that may not be farmilual with them.


